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Church Update on Response to Japan Earthquake and Tsunami (Mormon)
LDS Newsroom ^ | March 14, 2011 | Press Release

Posted on 03/15/2011 10:46:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: RBranha; greyfoxx39
Nope, I'm not a mind reader

Ah. The only thing you deny is being a mind-reader...which, BTW, we already knew. You rip off the mask of your own pretense -- pretending know what emotions underlie a poster's motivations.

As for the rest, since you didn't deny that you like being an elitist bully who engages in ad-hominen attacks, thank you for your tacit admission.

The amount of time I've spent posting is nothing compared to the average time the average Mormon ward engages the dead in some way.

So, I guess by your complete-stranger diagnostic skills, that must mean many Mormons have an unhealthy obsession with the dead.

But, of course, par for the course of your inconsistency, no mention of that comes from your keyboards.

Your comments on this thread, therefore, are questionable on accuracy even as they are laced with criticism, Which makes your posts all the more ironically funny.

Here, you supposedly don't like others issuing religiously based criticism. Yet, that's mostly all you've done on this thread. But that's the way it is with the two-faced: They issues themselves a license to engage in religious criticism; but attempt to frown upon, censor, or forbid others from doing the same.

So, please, keep posting. I couldn't make up a better string of posts showing how your personality is rife with inconsistencies. Maybe you better get in touch with your other half.

101 posted on 03/15/2011 5:12:55 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RBranha

My last post to you about this. These people are Bible believing Spirit filled on fire born again Christians, they do not and are not islamic. If you don’t get that there is nothing I can do to help you understand.


102 posted on 03/15/2011 5:14:47 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: greyfoxx39
Apparently the mormons and muslims have less in common than some would imply. From the link you posted:

Theology Is Not the Common Ground
Despite some arguable similarities in doctrine and practice, there is no apparent theological basis for the deepening ties between American Muslims and Mormons.

Maybe the lds/muslim partnerships in getting aid to the stricken is an example of what it means to be a good Samaritan? Again, I'm sure a starving child doesn't care whether it was a muslim or a mormon who brought them a meal.

103 posted on 03/15/2011 5:19:11 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha; greyfoxx39; Colofornian
Many of us on FR would appreciate it if you were to get a blog and use it to obsess over the mormons instead of doing it here.

Many? It is quite an honor then to be elected as their spokesperson. ;-)

Greyfoxx39 gave you some really sound advice: if you don't like the topic and you just come here to complain about it, go to another thread.

I've read a lot of your posts, Colofornian, and I'm reminded of Emerson : A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

Then why didn't you respond until now? I'm sure our "little-minded, foolish" Colofornian would love to dispel some of your ignorance. An opposing view with some substance would be a welcome change from the typical Mormon apologist.

104 posted on 03/15/2011 5:22:23 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: RBranha; svcw
I don't recall discussing whether or not mormons are Christians, but perhaps we did. I suppose if Muslims can be Christian, then perhaps the mormons can, too.

Boy, that's rather interesting.
Muslims label Christians as "infidels."
Mormons label Christians as "apostates."
Mormons label Christians in their "Scriptures" as "corrupt."
And yet you somehow think Muslims & Mormons want to be on par with the infidel-apostate-corrupt ones?

(Oh, I get it...they just covet the "brand" Name of "Christian")

Otherwise, hey, with advocates abroad like yourself, no wonder people slide down a religious Bahai-like pathway where they run everything together about God and begin to conclude things like a fundamentalist Mormon-is-a-Mormon-is-a-Christian-is-a-Jonestownite-is-a-Branch-Davidian-is-a-Heavens-Gate-ian-is-a-Urantia believer-is a Church Universal & Triumphant-is-a-Wicca-Witch-is-Voodoo practitioner-is-a-New-Ager-is-a-whirling dervish-is-a-Hindu-is-a-Sikh-is-a-Muslim!

105 posted on 03/15/2011 5:23:54 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Godzilla
Are you aware that when the hurricane pass through there last fall, these chapels were open to members only. Further, those haitan members who did seek shelter there received no food or water during the course of their stay.

I would like to see the source of this statement. BTW I'm in SKYPE with members in Haiti.

106 posted on 03/15/2011 5:27:19 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Colofornian
"Elder Holland said Tuesday that all 638 Mormon missionaries of many nationalities living in Japan, including 342 from the U.S., are safe and accounted for.

The LDS Church also announced it has been able to identify and document the safety of all members of the Church in the affected area except for one ward and two branches.

"We want to express our sympathy and support for all of the people of Japan. This is not just a concern for Latter-day Saints who are there," Elder Holland said. "Substantial financial help has already been committed to the nation, to the people regardless of their religious affiliation."

LDS Church to move Japan missionaries out of tsunami area a>

Hmmm..."substantial" financial help has "been committed"...I'll bet details of the financial aid amount, the timeline and the recipients thereof will not be forthcoming. It's an easy out though, Br. Holland. I wonder if there will be an appeal this coming Sunday for more monetary donations from the faithful. for which there will be no accounting of disbursements.

107 posted on 03/15/2011 5:34:13 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: Colofornian
Oooooo, I'm a "bully"! Who was it, just a few posts ago, who accused someone of name-calling? I'm sure I'll think of it in a second.

So, I guess by your complete-stranger diagnostic skills

Yours are pretty good, too. Perhaps we unwittingly learned them from the same place.

par for the course of your inconsistency

This must be a par-3 course, because until today I've posted here pretty infrequently. You're a fast learner, I guess. Oh, inconsistency? You mean something like saying someone is a name-caller, then calling them a bully?

Both of us have accounts on this site at the good will and pleasure of its operator. It's your business to post whatever you like, and it's not my place to use the powers that be to prevent you from doing so. However, it's also my right to post the observation that your constant criticism of the lds has gotten tiresome. We know you don't like them or their theology or something. We get it. Get yourself a blog, sell some ads, and get rich talking about the mormons. Until then, perhaps someone could tell me how to set up a killfile.

108 posted on 03/15/2011 5:34:25 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: BlueMoose; RBranha
The local leadership are in the best position to know what to ask for.

Of course, this involves many assumptions on your part:
It assumes that the "local leadership" in many areas are in a position to update their communications. Cellphones batteries do run out in a climate where millions are without access to electricity. Often, cellphone battery usage is dwindled in the early days after a crisis finding out just the most basic info about what happened & calling loved ones to check on their status.

While many still have vehicles, the tsunami wiped out many of the roads or left them so cluttered that access by road is impossible. So mobility is an issue to get to locations where other types of communications can be utilized.

Even neighbors helping neighbors has been hindered in regions where radiation has led to people being told to stay indoors 24/7.

109 posted on 03/15/2011 5:38:11 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39
Hmmm..."substantial" financial help has "been committed"...I'll bet details of the financial aid amount, the timeline and the recipients thereof will not be forthcoming. It's an easy out though, Br. Holland. I wonder if there will be an appeal this coming Sunday for more monetary donations from the faithful. for which there will be no accounting of disbursements.

So, will you settle for "I'll bet details of the financial aid amount", etc. or will you to do some research into what they are doing? It's easy to sit here and ready press releases and internet posts and be a Monday morning quarterback. How much financial aid would they have to commit in order to satisfy you?

110 posted on 03/15/2011 5:42:30 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
Apparently the mormons and muslims have less in common than some would imply.

Well, it seems that you didn't bother to read the entire article...even the other headings:

"Shared Values and Histories of Persecution and Prejudice"

Cooperation in Word and Deed.

Muslims and Mormons who attend each other’s religious services or events often report feeling very much at ease. The two faiths often co-host social and educational programs. The Mormon-owned Brigham Young University operates a world-class research operation in translating ancient Arab religious texts, which many Muslims interpret as more than a token sign of interest. The Mormon Church has also donated land for the construction of Islamic mosques, and opened the doors of its meetinghouses to Muslims who feared retribution at their own places of worship after 9/11. Perhaps more importantly, Muslims and Mormons have co-operated in massive disaster relief and other charitable efforts in the wake of the Southeast Asian tsunami and earthquakes. Such efforts are just a part of the Mormon global charitable outreach"

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IMO, mormon leaders who are in the process of highjacking the name "Christian" would be better off in doing more of that "global outreach" with the Christians that have been demeaned by your prophets for over 150 years.

The Muslim Mormon Connection

111 posted on 03/15/2011 5:48:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: RBranha
Apparently the mormons and muslims have less in common than some would imply.

Well, it seems that you didn't bother to read the entire article...even the other headings:

"Shared Values and Histories of Persecution and Prejudice"

Cooperation in Word and Deed.

Muslims and Mormons who attend each other’s religious services or events often report feeling very much at ease. The two faiths often co-host social and educational programs. The Mormon-owned Brigham Young University operates a world-class research operation in translating ancient Arab religious texts, which many Muslims interpret as more than a token sign of interest. The Mormon Church has also donated land for the construction of Islamic mosques, and opened the doors of its meetinghouses to Muslims who feared retribution at their own places of worship after 9/11. Perhaps more importantly, Muslims and Mormons have co-operated in massive disaster relief and other charitable efforts in the wake of the Southeast Asian tsunami and earthquakes. Such efforts are just a part of the Mormon global charitable outreach"

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IMO, mormon leaders who are in the process of highjacking the name "Christian" would be better off in doing more of that "global outreach" with the Christians that have been demeaned by your prophets for over 150 years.

The Muslim Mormon Connection

112 posted on 03/15/2011 5:52:38 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: RBranha; greyfoxx39; All
Oooooo, I'm a "bully"! Who was it, just a few posts ago, who accused someone of name-calling? I'm sure I'll think of it in a second.

Any substitute teacher in their first recess-viewing can discern a bully on campus. It doesn't take an in-depth personality profile.

On the other hand, you overrate your psychology skills by somehow upon first glance being able to discern whose mind is in order, "tiny," "small" and "little." (Maybe you have some kind of Branha Psychological chart you go by...still not sure how you do that with complete strangers -- conduct some kind of full-scale mind eval based upon a post or two...and conclude that you know the entirety of their mind...takes a tremendous amount of hubris, arrogance, pride, and haughtiness on your part...but hey, if that's what you've come in here to show...so be it).

...it's also my right to post the observation that your constant criticism of the lds has gotten tiresome

Well, fine if a poster wants to express that view to me. But I'd like to hear that from a given poster who isn't in a full-blown mode of religious criticism on a given thread.

Don't you see the dilemma you provoke in other posters? I mean, do we take your words at face value? -- that we should reconsider critiquing other religious claims? Or, should we believe your actions -- your fruits?...Fruits that tell the entire Freeper community that you think criticizing others' religious expressions is "OK," after all.

It gets rather confusing...so why don't you clear that up for us:
(a) Do you want us to adhere to your message of cutting back or stopping the religious critiques?...
(b) Or your actions??...Actions which tells the world to go full-blown ahead with critiquing others' religious expressions?

[Please...you can't choose both (a) & (b)]

You keep communicating to us in two tones...two messages...two communiques...two of everything. Please simplify your communication 'cause your two-tongued approach just doesn't make the grade.

(Just have a convo with yourself and let us know how you voted...If you have a 1-1 tie with no tiebreaker, hey, we'll understand)

113 posted on 03/15/2011 5:54:51 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: greyfoxx39
I'll say it again in case you missed it: "Despite some arguable similarities in doctrine and practice, there is no apparent theological basis for the deepening ties between American Muslims and Mormons."

Your quotation from the article doesn't imply there are any theological similarities between the religions, so I'm not sure I see your point. From what I understand, Mormon buildings have been used in the past for meetings of other religions (although I don't know to what extent), but that doesn't mean they agree theologically.

demeaned by your prophets

Not my prophets. Do you mean "demeaned" like the lds are here?

114 posted on 03/15/2011 5:57:24 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: Paragon Defender; RBranha
So you say.

I suggest interested investigators perform a simple experiment. Compare Google News searchs for:

  1. Mormon relief japan earthquake (and/or LDS relief japan earthquake)
  2. Christian relief japan earthquake

Examine the content of the stories and decide for yourself what matters to Christian vs what matters to Mormons.

115 posted on 03/15/2011 5:57:38 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: RBranha
Not my prophets. Do you mean "demeaned" like the lds are here?

Certainly none of the Inmans are attempting to highjack the name "mormon", so there's no relevance to your comment.

116 posted on 03/15/2011 6:06:08 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("Take a look around this country. Outside the Beltway, we are all Jews now." Stuart Schwartz)
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To: greyfoxx39; RBranha
I wonder if there will be an appeal this coming Sunday for more monetary donations from the faithful. for which there will be no accounting of disbursements.

Bingo.

Of course, the Mormon grassroots will step up. I know many of them...'cause many of them are my beloved Mormon relatives, of whom I have zero "bitterness" toward.

But how would anybody ever know if what the Lds grassroots gives to its leadership to pass on is ever passed on to its designated target? We don't. Because Lds, Inc. never gives any accounting of its financial resources and how they are spent.

Oh, sure, if they reveal an amount they give...we can assume they indeed gave that...but what came in from its grassroots to pass on? That number you won't know.

117 posted on 03/15/2011 6:10:37 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
I'd like to hear that from a given poster who isn't in a full-blown mode of religious criticism on a given thread.

Does hearing it in this thread make it any less true than if you heard it somewhere else?

(b) Or your actions??...Actions which tells the world to go full-blown ahead with critiquing others' religious expressions?

I'm not critiquing anyone's religious expressions. In fact, I haven't seen any religious expressions on this thread. I have seen a lot of criticism of the lds church response to the Japan disaster, however, and that's what I'm addressing. Now, if criticism of a church's relief efforts qualifies as religious expression, then I stand corrected. If a person believes in Christ, Allah, or another god, that's between them and their god, a matter of faith which is for them to decide. Deriding an organization (religious or otherwise) for the manner in which they deliver aid to victims of a natural disaster is petty.

Of course, if your religion is to criticize the lds, then there have been religious expressions in this thread. If this is the case, I sincerely apologize and will leave you alone.

Hmmmm . . . where is that killfile . . . I know it's around here somewhere . . .

118 posted on 03/15/2011 6:12:11 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: Colofornian
Because Lds, Inc. never gives any accounting of its financial resources and how they are spent.

Is this an accurate statement? I have no idea what the regulations are for the financial disclosure required of private organizations.

119 posted on 03/15/2011 6:17:49 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha; greyfoxx39; restornu
I'll say it again in case you missed it: "Despite some arguable similarities in doctrine and practice, there is no apparent theological basis for the deepening ties between American Muslims and Mormons."...From what I understand, Mormon buildings have been used in the past for meetings of other religions (although I don't know to what extent), but that doesn't mean they agree theologically.

(Oh, so Mormons would let a Wicca group use its buildings? Yes?)

Nov. 1, 2010: Muslims and Mormons share worship space in St Charles

Your quotation from the article doesn't imply there are any theological similarities between the religions, so I'm not sure I see your point.

Well, read this FR article posted by a Mormon: Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad (LDS/Muslim Caucus)

So here we have a Mormon, Restornu, citing an article written by a BYU prof which says:

Latter-day Saint appreciation of Muhammad’s role in history can also be found in the 1978 First Presidency statement regarding God’s love for all mankind. This declaration specifically mentions Muhammad as one of “the great religious leaders of the world” who received “a portion of God’s light” and affirms that “moral truths were given to [these leaders] by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.” In recent years, respect for the spiritual legacy of Muhammad and for the religious values of the Islamic community has led to increasing contact and cooperation between Latter-day Saints and Muslims around the world.

120 posted on 03/15/2011 6:21:36 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: aimhigh; AmericanArchConservative; aMorePerfectUnion; BearRepublic81; Birmingham Rain; bonfire; ...
Ping

Do the the comparison. The tone difference tells the whole story.

121 posted on 03/15/2011 6:26:55 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: Colofornian
Thanks for the links. They do pretty well at confirming my statement that the lds and muslims have a different theology. From one of the articles: "How, then, might Latter-day Saints regard the Muslim community? The most helpful approach is to recognize the truths and values we share with our Muslim brothers and sisters, even while politely acknowledging that theological differences exist. Certainly Latter-day Saints do not agree with Islamic teachings that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ"

Are you using the article to claim that the lds have common theology with muslims or that they believe in Jesus Christ?

122 posted on 03/15/2011 6:28:09 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha
Is this an accurate statement? I have no idea what the regulations are for the financial disclosure required of private organizations.

It's a non-profit entity. So does it provide any kind of accounting to the govt for tax purposes? (No)

Most denominations make their own numbers available to their grassroots. (The Lds church doesn't)

As for "requirement" -- I'm not even talking about "have tos." I'm talking about internal self-accountable "want tos." Does the Lds church want to give any accounting of their expenditures to at least their own members? (Beyond their general authorities, no, they don't)

See book The Mormon Corporate Empire...written in the 1980s. One of the two authors, John Heinerman, was/is Lds.

As to how they do this legally, please see How Corporatism Has Undermined and Subverted The Church of Jesus Christ...

Note this excerpt: ...in 1923, church lawyers found The Holy Grail: a rare, little known, and hardly ever used mode of incorporation known as The Corporation Sole. Virtually unknown in America, and tracing its origins to ancient Roman law, the corporation sole was the way the vast riches of the Holy Catholic Church had been protected under Emperor Constantine. All financial power was vested in one man -in their case the pope, in our case, the prophet. Or, as he was named in the corporate charter, “the President.” The word “Prophet” doesn't appear in the charter. This wasn't a real church, after all. It was just a way for the leadership of the, ahem, "Church” (wink, wink) to control the member's money. In the original LDS church from the time of Joseph Smith, all members were considered of equal worth. They were called “members” because in the ancient church the scriptures called them “members of the body of Christ.” All parts were of equal importance to the Lord. You know the words of Paul in 1st Corinthians 12: “The head cannot say to the feet, I have no need of you.” Likewise church property bought with member's tithing was considered held in common by all the members of the church, with common consent required for the purchase or disbursement of that common property. But not anymore. Under the corporation sole, the head could tell the feet to go take a hike. The president of the church could do whatever the hell he wanted with the member's money without asking permission from the members whatsoever. It's spelled out right there in the charter. The president of the corporation needs no authorization from any mere member of the Lord's church. No show of hands, no vote, no “all in favor please manifest.” Like the Pope, his power is absolute. He is the Sole Brother.

123 posted on 03/15/2011 6:35:10 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: dragonblustar

What a Frickin Whacko.

The only horn being blown is their own.


124 posted on 03/15/2011 6:35:53 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: RBranha; greyfoxx39; colorcountry
They do pretty well at confirming my statement that the lds and muslims have a different theology.

I don't think I've heard it said anywhere they are in 100% alignment. Fundamentalist Mormons are not 100% in theological alignment with mainstream Mormons; that doesn't make one of the groups non-Mormons.

How do they agree?

As the article I cited shows, both Muslims & Mormons laud Muhammad.

I've seen (& filed away) lists of over two dozen similarities between Mormonism and Islam.

Here's a more condensed list by former Mormon Colorcountry from an earlier post:

Similarities between Joseph Smith and Muhammad:
Both were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni" and Muhammad by Gabriel.
Both were given visions.
Both were told that no true religion existed on the earth...
Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion.
Both wrote a book inspired by God.
Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?"
Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable.
Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth.
Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven.
Both claim that the version we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that parts are not lost, altered and corrupted. Of course the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (In Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started.
Source: ColorCountry post #29

125 posted on 03/15/2011 6:45:10 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
It's a non-profit entity.

I don't think this is strictly true. Maybe the church part of the mormons is a non-profit entity, but I think they own for-profit businesses. But I admit that from an accounting/disclosure/reporting standpoint I don't know if the distinction is material. I'm not a business or accounting person . . .

126 posted on 03/15/2011 6:46:05 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: Vendome; Colofornian
Whacko

Colofornian, there's a name caller here!!! Please make him/her stop!

127 posted on 03/15/2011 6:48:21 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: RBranha; Vendome
LOL

RBranha, if you'd just give me your Distance Psychological Profile mechanism you use to 100% JUDGE the mind-make-up of a complete-stranger poster, then I could utilize that on you and either confirm or deny Vendome's allegation.

Believe me, if your mechanism eval-testing comes back "negative," I'll be sure to give Vendome a solid chastisement! :)

128 posted on 03/15/2011 6:54:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: RBranha; Colofornian
 
LOL
 

129 posted on 03/15/2011 6:55:15 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Colofornian
I don't think I've heard it said anywhere they are in 100% alignment. Fundamentalist Mormons are not 100% in theological alignment with mainstream Mormons; that doesn't make one of the groups non-Mormons.

And I'm not making this claim. However, you're trying to paint them with the same broad brush to make it appear that they are in close enough agreement that if a person dismisses the beliefs of one, they should dismiss the beliefs of the other. (Maybe you aren't doing that, but it sure looks suspicious.) For example:

How do they agree?
As the article I cited shows, both Muslims & Mormons laud Muhammad.

I suspect a mormon would say that "laud" is too strong a word for their opinion of Muhammad if it implies they view him like they do their prophets, and that Muslims would say it isn't a strong enough word to convey their full belief about him. By picking a word which is right in between, you can make it appear that the beliefs of the 2 religions are "close enough for government work", which does not appear to be true in this case. I think Muslims consider Muhammad to be a prophet but the mormons don't. That's a pretty big distinction.

130 posted on 03/15/2011 7:02:29 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: Vendome; RBranha

Well...about that chastisement, tell ya what vendome...if rbranha’s magic-8-ball-urim&thummim test comes back negative on himself, I’ll go semi-easy on you...[well, what’d ya expect I’d say to a nunchuk-wielding poster?) LOL


131 posted on 03/15/2011 7:03:20 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
if you'd just give me your Distance Psychological Profile mechanism

I'll let you borrow mine if you let me take yours for a spin. I've had years of your posts to put into my machine and you've had only 1 thread's worth of mine, yet you reached a conclusion at the same time I did.

132 posted on 03/15/2011 7:04:44 PM PDT by RBranha (Captialism is the natural outgrowth of human freedom.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Church has received several inquiries regarding the condition of its temple in Tokyo
__________________________________________

Who in their right mind would care about some dumb building ???

People died in Japan,,,

People are injured and homeless and hungry in Jaqpan...

Wheres the concern for the people ???


133 posted on 03/15/2011 7:08:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: RBranha
I've had years of your posts to put into my machine and you've had only 1 thread's worth of mine...

Nice spin try. But your reference to "tiny people" was plural & was made to greyfoxx39 in post #32; "small minds" in post #70 was likewise plural...so not sure how many FREEPERs you were referencing there...

(So, it's "nice" to know you go around as the self-designated psychological profiler on FR)

The only "names" I've labeled your way was hypocrite & "bully" -- the latter which, again, as I said, a substitute teacher could readily ascertain on his/her first time observation of recess. It wouldn't take an in-depth personality profile; whereas, you repeatedly claimed to be able to assess the entirety of other posters' minds...well, that was before you confessed you couldn't read minds, after all.

As for somebody being two-faced, I was quite specific as to how you were repeatedly being two-faced on this thread. IOW, if you're going to toss out a label, you better be very specific. And each time you were inconsistent, I called you on it. And you haven't defended it at all -- which, I take, as a sort of admission.

You can't discipline a child for vague offenses. You need to be specific. And anytime you critique somebody publicly, you better be specific to justify it.

You? You just toss out overbroad slams which requires more informational input than you could have mastered on numerous thread posters. I mean, we still don't even know which posters you were referencing in your slams.

You're attempt to now make your earlier comments only about me shows your desperation for post-spin.

(You may wish to stop before you're caught in further web-spinning which erodes whatever shred of credibility you might want to cling to...not very becoming of a poster who was citing the Bible earlier)

134 posted on 03/15/2011 7:37:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: All

What an interesting thread.

RBranha has done very well dealing with the onslaught from the anti-Mormon gang and watching Colo squirm has been almost comical.

Several good and key points were made by RBranha but I am betting they fell on deaf ears.

The manipulation of the topic to fill the obsessed needs of the anti-Mormon gang is so bizarre. I am starting to pity them.

Good night all. I hope you can wake up tomorrow with a softer heart than you have today.


135 posted on 03/15/2011 7:47:16 PM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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http://newsroom.lds.org/article/missionaries-moved-to-safer-areas-in-japan

PULL QUOTE: (bold my emphasis)

Elder Holland said evacuating missionaries also helps lessen the burden on others. “We want to have them out of harm’s way. That doesn’t mean we are any less concerned about anyone else who is in that circumstance. But we don’t want people worrying about the missionaries. All members are going to worry about the missionaries, and we don’t want any local Japanese people worrying about the missionaries if we can worry about them. We want them to take care of themselves and their own families as they can.”

136 posted on 03/15/2011 7:48:51 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

http://newsroom.lds.org/article/missionaries-moved-to-safer-areas-in-japan


137 posted on 03/15/2011 7:49:31 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian; All

(You may wish to stop before you’re caught in further web-spinning which erodes whatever shred of credibility you might want to cling to...not very becoming of a poster who was citing the Bible earlier)


ROFL

pot... kettle
kettle.... pot

too much


138 posted on 03/15/2011 7:50:40 PM PDT by Paragon Defender (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil....)
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To: Paragon Defender

What thread have you been reading? Maybe in the twilight zone?


139 posted on 03/15/2011 7:51:04 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Tennessee Nana; RBranha
Who in their right mind would care about some dumb building ??? People died in Japan,,,People are injured and homeless and hungry in Japan...Wheres the concern for the people ???

The Lds have Japanese temples in Sapporo, Fukuoka, and Tokyo. Of course, the Mormons would care primarily about such buildings! And now that so many more Japanese have died, why the Mormons could justify their building concerns even more!

Mormons have this multi-million member unhealthy obsession of the dead.

(But of course, we have FR posters like RBranha who are more concerned with a few FREEPERS who point out facts like that than multi millions of LDS members who spend $millions & hundreds of millions of hours unhealthily obsessing with the dead...can you say unbalanced provocation... two-faced...inconsistent???)

140 posted on 03/15/2011 7:51:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: svcw
All members are going to worry about the missionaries, and we don’t want any local Japanese people worrying about the missionaries if we can worry about them. We want them to take care of themselves and their own families as they can.”

So we can glean from this that LDS are worrying about their missionaries and the Japanese people can take care of themselves. How does this demonstrate LDS relief aid? Is this just another demonstration that LDS only help their own? Apparently, they are leaving the Japanese to fend for themselves.

141 posted on 03/15/2011 8:00:10 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: RBranha
I see that a lot of very tiny people are providing their aid to the Japanese people by belittling the efforts of others, and doing it from the safety and comfort of their computer chairs.

On post #76, I highlighted this quote of yours and pinpointed a thread on Sunday night that belittled Obama about his response to Japan. But look...just now this newly posted thread: Obama Fiddles While the World Burns

Ya better rush into that thread while you can, RBranha re: if anybody critiques Obama's aid provision "to the Japanese people by belittling the efforts of" the Obama admin -- "and doing it from the safety and comfort of their computer chairs."

We'd like to see how consistent you are in defending those who provide aid provision to Japan...and how consistent you are in opposing those who "belittle the [aid] efforts of others."

C'mon...RBranha...we'd like to see you rush into that thread & start claiming numerous FREEPERS there as being "tiny people" who have "small minds" like you've done on this thread.

Or is it that you are particular in defending only some from their critiques of how they are aiding Japan...thereby showing how hypocritical, two-faced, and inconsistent you are...yet again.

Tell us: If you won't defend Obama on that thread re: Japan response, why not? What makes the Mormon church so sacro-sanct to you re: their response to Japan crisis...?

142 posted on 03/15/2011 8:07:37 PM PDT by Colofornian
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I am sorry but this is just weird.
http://www.ldsemergencyresources.com/lds-challenge-to-give-help-the-tsunami-earthquake-victims-of-japan/
You donate to the Japanese relief and you get a chance to win:
PULL QUOTE:
We’ll also be giving away thousands of dollars in prizes: a 16GB Apple iPad, $300 gift certificate to Deseret Book, survival kits galore, and much more!


143 posted on 03/15/2011 8:15:08 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian; RBranha

Where is Mrs. Reaganaut lately? Haven’t seen her.


144 posted on 03/15/2011 8:35:25 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: svcw; All; RBranha; Tennessee Nana; dragonblustar; greyfoxx39; Godzilla; FastCoyote
I am sorry but this is just weird. http://www.ldsemergencyresources.com/lds-challenge-to-give-help-the-tsunami-earthquake-victims-of-japan/ You donate to the Japanese relief and you get a chance to win: PULL QUOTE: We’ll also be giving away thousands of dollars in prizes: a 16GB Apple iPad, $300 gift certificate to Deseret Book, survival kits galore, and much more!

Wow! Gambling relief dollars for prizes!

(I guess we can now truly see Nevada's impact on its neighboring Utah...perhaps pro-gambling Mormon leader Harry Reid suggested this!)

Well, this is ALL consistent with Mormon theology. See, temple Mormons do good works to become gods -- to enter the highest level of the Mormon kingdom. So all their good works are tinged with this same "boomerang" theme: They do good works; it accumulates to their godhood account. And so, a selfish motivation always looms at the root of anything a temple Mormon does.

There's always a spiritual "kickback" in place.

145 posted on 03/15/2011 8:38:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

There are no words ...


146 posted on 03/15/2011 8:40:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Paragon Defender

Your juvenile, cloying posts get more bizzare daily. Does your medication need adjusting?


147 posted on 03/15/2011 8:52:18 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: RBranha
Trumpeting is not allowed!!!!

Calling for people to help out is not trumpeting. But what ever gets you to sleep at night. God knows the truth.

148 posted on 03/15/2011 9:20:50 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Just saying.......)
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To: roylene
Is the LDS Church now responsible for the welfare of the whole world ?
149 posted on 03/15/2011 9:26:23 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose; roylene
Is the LDS Church now responsible for the welfare of the whole world ?

Translation: "Are we, the Mormon church, our brothers' keepers if we 'only' have three temples in Japan?"

150 posted on 03/15/2011 9:38:01 PM PDT by Colofornian
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