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1 posted on 03/19/2011 1:49:41 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 03/19/2011 1:50:18 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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3 posted on 03/19/2011 1:57:25 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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4 posted on 03/19/2011 1:58:46 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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5 posted on 03/19/2011 1:59:29 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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“MEMOIRS OF EXTRAORDINARY POPULAR DELUSIONS AND THE Madness of Crowds”

by Charles Mackay (1852)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24518/24518-h/24518-h.htm

Volume II from the index “The Crusades”


6 posted on 03/19/2011 2:01:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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7 posted on 03/19/2011 2:01:33 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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It is a terrible irony that the Crusades, which were a direct result of the Catholic desire to rescue the Orthodox people, drove the two further -- and perhaps irrevocably -- apar

Indeed, but when God allowed that to happen, something good came out of it. Rather than getting the Churches of the East suffer the bruise of the Reformation along with the Latin Church, the Greek Orthodox East was on the path of isolation and conservation. Today, the Church Catholic, East and West, while lacking in formal unity, has an anchor in the Early Church thanks to the Orthodox Tradition.

Another aspect is the different way of engaging the Islam that developed in the East. The Latins only fought the Islam, but they really never lived alongside of it. The Orthodox, -- the Medieval Greeks but especially the Russians, -- developed empires that incorporated Muslim parts as loyal imperial subjects. As late as the 1st World War, Muslim regiments prayed and fought for His Majesty the Christian White Czar. These are historical lessons the US would do well to visit as we try to assert ourselves in the Muslim World. We do it as a secular power and flirt with failure all the time. The Russian Empire was definitively, assertively Christian and earned Muslim respect that lasted centuries.

8 posted on 03/19/2011 2:11:49 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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**For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression — an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.**


9 posted on 03/19/2011 2:15:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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**For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression — an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.**

Will this happen again?


10 posted on 03/19/2011 2:15:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The truth sometimes does get out. Are you paying attention lame-stream "media"?

........................... I hear crickets chirping. What I just cannot understand is how the left and their propaganda machine (the "media") are so tolerant of a group of people, muslims, who are so diametrically opposed to everything the left believes in.

11 posted on 03/19/2011 2:23:14 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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In hoc signe vincit.


12 posted on 03/19/2011 2:33:00 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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bookmark.


13 posted on 03/19/2011 2:36:57 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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Even with smart technologies, the United States has killed far more innocents in our wars than the Crusaders ever could.

I'd like to see those stats.

14 posted on 03/19/2011 2:40:59 PM PDT by xone
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Religion, after all, is nothing to fight wars over.

Really?

So if the other guy comes with his sword and says, "Convert or die," we should just surrender?

ML/NJ

19 posted on 03/19/2011 3:02:13 PM PDT by ml/nj
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ping for later


22 posted on 03/19/2011 3:38:58 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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The Crusaders’ best chance for breaking the Moslem hold on the Holy Land came around 1258-1260, when the Mongols under Hulegu Quan, brother of the Qa Quan Mongke, rode south, destroyed the Assassins, sacked Baghdad [ending the Abbasid Caliphate], and overrran Syria. The Mongols proposed an alliance with the Crusader States against the Mamelukes and the Turks.

The offer was not only rejected by the Crusaders [the Mongols had no state religion, and many were pagan], but they fell for Baybar’s BS about fellow monotheists, and gave the Moslems free passage, food, water, etc.

After the victory at Ain Julut [1260], Hulegu’s retrenchment and war with the Golden Horde over Azerbaijan [the Golden horde had converted to Islam], Baybars was able to turn his attention back to driving the Christians out of the Holy Land.

Interestingly, while Hulegu was a Buddhist, his wife was a Nestorian Christian, as was the Mongol General defeated and killed at Ain Julat, Kedboga.


23 posted on 03/19/2011 3:48:07 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Mark for later read.


24 posted on 03/19/2011 4:18:02 PM PDT by swatbuznik
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Read this later.


25 posted on 03/19/2011 4:19:15 PM PDT by stevem
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Thank you for posting. A topic I’ve always been curious about.


26 posted on 03/19/2011 4:43:16 PM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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Whether we admire the Crusaders or not, it is a fact that the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery, not only survived but flourished.

Crusader, and proud of it! And yes, I'm old enough that I never missed the ORIGINAL airings of each episode.

Only the ignorant find "crusader" a dirty word/concept.

27 posted on 03/19/2011 5:07:50 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: A Satanically Transmitted Disease spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus)
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