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Clearly placing the comma before "today" has produced all sorts of erroneous ideas of what Christ was really saying.
1 posted on 03/21/2011 10:34:36 AM PDT by count-your-change
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“Where was Christ During the Three Days After His Death?”

Surfing in Waikiki.


2 posted on 03/21/2011 10:39:07 AM PDT by MeganC (Pray for Japan.)
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3 posted on 03/21/2011 10:39:49 AM PDT by paul in cape
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4 posted on 03/21/2011 10:40:58 AM PDT by paul in cape
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"He had not been born again. He had not repented."

How do you know this? In fact, if he had not done any of these things, then how could he ever expect to be in paradise?

JM
6 posted on 03/21/2011 10:42:12 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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He was dead. He was “in the heart of the earth” a Jewish idiom meaning “to be at one with” or buried. He was dead. But, He had the power to take up His life again. Only God has that power.

Since in the original manuscripts there are no punctuation marks, I have the right to decide where the comma goes just as much as anyone else. The King James translators didn’t translate this - they interpreted this - and my interpretation is just as good as theirs(actually better than theirs). I agree with you, the comma goes before today. A Hebrew in a very serious and solemn situation talking to another Hebrew (both about to die is a very serious situation) would emphasize the seriousness by saying, “I tell you this today.” Like we would say, “I’m telling you this right here and now, i.e. today.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 10:43:23 AM PDT by Overwatcher
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Stop me before I find another one!

8 posted on 03/21/2011 10:43:23 AM PDT by paul in cape
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Where was Christ During the Three Days After His Death?

Vacationing on the Riviera.

9 posted on 03/21/2011 10:45:00 AM PDT by EveningStar (Karl Marx is not one of our Founding Fathers.)
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Jehovah's Witness shtick.........excuse me......theology. I've had the exact same discussion with them numerous times.

Do you have a magazine that you'd like to leave with me, before you move on?

10 posted on 03/21/2011 10:45:04 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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In Rio?


11 posted on 03/21/2011 10:50:59 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (Here, intolerance... will not be tolerated! - (South Park))
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12 posted on 03/21/2011 10:51:22 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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But what of the criminal and the promise made to him? Did he die and go to heaven, hell, where?

He had not been born again. He had not repented or been baptized or become a disciple and shown his faith by his works as had those Paul spoke of in Hebrews chapter 11. He, like David, would have to wait for that resurrection from the memorial tombs (John 5:28, 29) of the "righteous and unrighteous" sometime in the future.

I would put him right where Christ promised he would be... in Paradise. Jesus is the King of His Kingdom and the Judge of all mankind. We enter by His Sacrifice and at His invitation. There is a Japanese proverb that tells us "Beginning is easy... continuing is hard." Christ told us how to live... the thief showed us how to die.

Where was Christ after His Death and before His Resurrection? I would put Him in the underworld, announcing the Messianic age to those who had fallen asleep. You have cited a couple of verses. I offer the fact that Christ said He would offer the sign of Jonah. Where was Jonah for three days? In a fish? What does Jonah say?

Jonah 2:1Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the stomach of the fish, 2 and he said,

"I called out of my distress to the LORD,
And He answered me
I cried for help from the depth of Sheol;
You heard my voice.

Though his body was in the belly of the fish, Jonah had gone to the depth of Sheol. He was dead. When Christ references the sign of Jonah, it is a reference to rising to life after three days of death.
13 posted on 03/21/2011 10:51:22 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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Ask Him when (if?) you get there!


14 posted on 03/21/2011 10:52:30 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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Jesus can do whatever he wants. He is not bound to do what the bible says he must do. Any takers?


16 posted on 03/21/2011 10:53:41 AM PDT by Tax Government (Democrat: "I'm driving to Socialism at 95 mph." Republican: "Observe the speed limit.")
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His body was in the grave.
His soul was in Hades, specifically at one time in Paradise, also known as Abraham’s Bosom.
His human spirit was with God the Father.

He laid down His life, His soul, to God the Holy Spirit in Hades, who then combined His Resurrection body with His human soul and human spirit at the grave, some 3 days later.


17 posted on 03/21/2011 10:53:51 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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The real question is, “Where do you believe he was four days after his death?”. That is the one that matters.


19 posted on 03/21/2011 10:54:43 AM PDT by Pete (29thday.org Exponential problems require exponential solutions)
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The Good Thief's name was Dismas. He called upon the Lord for what little salvation he believed he, in his sin, could ask for. Jesus went to Paradise (the Bosom of Abraham as in the story of the poor beggar Lazarus who looked across the chasm at the rich man who was suffering and begging for help). The reason he went to Paradise is because that was were the faithful were who had not yet been redeemed through the “passover” of the Lord's sacrifice. They had yet to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. When Jesus ascended to Heaven after the Resurrection, he ascended on clouds (some believe they were the souls of those who rose from the dead and walked the streets of Jerusalem).

Dismas was saved by a baptism of desire which is recognized by all main line Christian faiths. Dismas knew he was a sinner. He knew he deserved what he was suffering, but he also knew righteousness when in its presence and asked for at least the little bit of mercy he thought he could.

That's where the Lord went, why he went and who went with him. Any questions?

20 posted on 03/21/2011 10:54:43 AM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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He was grabbing the Keys of Hell away from a certain fallen angel.


21 posted on 03/21/2011 10:54:54 AM PDT by madison10
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He went to france. he went to spain
He found love. he found pain.
He found stores so he started to shop
But he had no money so he got in trouble with a cop
Kids in trouble with the cops
From israel didn't have no home
So he cut his hair and moved to rome
It was there he met his irish bride
And they rented a flat on the lower east side of rome...
Italy that is ..

23 posted on 03/21/2011 10:58:44 AM PDT by mcjordansc
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He was in Sheol. Hell. The belly of the best.


24 posted on 03/21/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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“Truly I tell you today, you...” makes no sense. The thief thought Jesus was just a recording? Further, the saying “Truly I tell you,” is a translation of a specific idiom. “Today” is not part of the idiom.

In Greek, “today” is used as an adverb. I’m quite sure whoever stuck the comma in there knew which verb it agreed with.


25 posted on 03/21/2011 11:03:02 AM PDT by dangus
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