Alright, mistakes were made.
Posted on 04/02/2011 1:57:40 PM PDT by NYer
My Greek Orthodox friend doesn’t have anything good to say about them. It’s hard to explain away the sack of Constantinople.
Good well-researched article. Of course, leftscum are allied with jihadists against Christianity and civilization, so we have an uphill battle educating people. This piece is an excellent move in that direction.
“soldiers walking on the Temple Mount . . . with blood running up to their knees.”
I’ve heard stories about them walking in the streets of the city with blood up to their knees (which is still quite ridiculous), but on the Temple Mount it would be downright impossible. It’s a freakin’ MOUNT... so any large amount of liquid would run off. How in the heck did this bumpkin become a Rhodes scholar?
The Crusades had been called at the behest of the Byzantine (Orthodox) emperor, with the Catholics responding with no promise of reconciliation.
An ecumenical council of bishops from throughout the orthodox world, had met with Catholic bishops and determined there was no doctrinal basis for the schism, agreeing to reunite Rome and the East. But unlike the theologians, the kings of the East didn't like the political ramifications of the reconciliation, and scuttled it. In 1182, the citizens of Constantinople went on a rampage, and slaughtered 60,000 Latins, men, women and children who lived in Constantinople.
A Catholic-leaning emperor, Isaac II, ascended to the throne, eventually, however. He promised considerable support to the 4th crusade, but was dethroned. Against a papal threat of ex-communication, the Crusaders attacked Constantinople, seeking to re-establish Isaac II. Finding the city wealthy beyond their means (in contrast to their own kingdoms which were going bankrupt because of the Crusades), the Crusaders plundered the city.
Two and a half century later, including after two decades of assault by GREEK and ORTHODOX warlords, the Ottomans attacked. The Catholic pope tried to organize a Crusade among Orthodox and Catholic armies to defend Byzantium, but the Orthodox refused to help the Latins, or Constantinople. Abandoned by the rest of the Eastern Orthodox, Constantinople fell in 1452.
And to this day, the Greek Orthodox blame the Latins for the fall of Constantinople. Talk about dodging responsibility!
Alright, mistakes were made.
Thanks — booked for later reading.
Very nicely done! Thanks for posting!
That’s because so many in the Greek Orthodox nurse contrived grievances to justify disunity. Read my post #24 and ask yourself:
Do the Catholics complain about the 60,000 men, women and children killed by the Greek Orthodox leading up to the 4th crusade? No, we recognize the fault lies only with the long departed.
Do the Catholics complain about the excommunication by the Greeks on the basis of the filioque and unleavened communion hosts? No, the Catholics instead have explained, to the unanimous satisfaction of Greek Bishops in the 14th century, that the filioque doesn’t mean what Photius alleged it meant; they’ve permitted local bishops to determine whether it should be stated; they apologized for their part in the mutual misunderstanding which led to the excommunication, and declared it invalid; they recognized the validity of Orthodox sacraments, and invited the Orthodox into communion with no preconditions (like accepting the pope), but the Orthodox responded only by renewing their condemnations and banning Catholics from their churches, and insisting that Catholic sacraments are invalid.
God bless the Russian Orthodox bishops who are trying to promote reconciliation among their Orthodox brethren! And God bless the 20 Orthodox denominations which have been received back into the Catholic Church! And I’ll even say God bless the Orthodox who are holding out to try to bring the Catholic Church to reign in some of the nonsense promulgated by child-raping faggots “in the spirit of Vatican II.”
But if your Greek Orthodox friend insists on relying on contrived historical grievances to continually make rhetorical war against the Catholic church, you might question whether he is on the side of God.
The account of knee-deep blood is first-hand from Raymond of Aguilers, an eyewitness and enthusiastic participant.
A translation of his account is at
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/raymond-cde.html#jerusalem2
You said it, Fellow FReeper. This is a religious war, and its spoils are Western civilization. Islam is our enemy.
Was you there, baby?
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48950796.html
...Here is one eyewitness account of an attack on the Jewry of Mainz in May of 1096. This comes from The First Crusade by August Krey, and it is a letter written by a Jew who survived:
“The Jews of the city, knowing of the slaughter of their brethren fled in hope of safety to the Bishop of Ruthard. They put an infinite treasure in his guard and trust having much faith in his protection. He placed the Jews in a very spacious hall in his own house that they might remain safe and sound in a very secure and strong place.”
“But ... the band held council, and after sunrise attacked the Jews in the hall with arrows and lances, breaking down the bolts in the doors. They killed the Jews, about 700 in number who in vain resisted the force of an attack of so many thousands. They killed the women also and with their sword pierced tender children whatever age and sex...”
This is how about 30%-50% of the Jewish community of Europe met its end. Some 10,000 Jews of an estimated population of about 20,000-30,000 were slaughtered by Crusaders mobs.
Klinton knows you get more snatch by knocking what's good.
Thank you so much. Succinct enough for my children.
Well, he did mention it And, as he implies, the root of it was in the lack of money. The Franks took up the cause of a Greek pretender, and it was this that led to the disaster. Constantinople was too fat a hen not to be plucked by greedy men, many of then Venetians.
Time for another Crusade, only this time we don’t have to go to the Holy Land to might muzzies; we can just go down the street.
The perpetrators of this were the mobs that were inspired to join a “people’s” crusade, and they were living off the land as they marched to Constantinople. Their looting and pillaging was not confined to the Jews, although the hated Jews had the most money to steal. It is well to note that when the mobs appeared in Constantinople, the Greeks transported them across the Straits where they were slaughtered by the Turks.
The Crusades ended too soon. Must have been a
‘Rat in the White House.......
Correct. The “Four Myths” are just that and important to remember. But the murder of Jews in Europe as well as elsewhere is not one of the myths. To Jews, those thousands of lives were a major disaster, and the beginning of hundreds of years of persecution. In the overall bloodbath of Christians and Muslims, hardly noticed.
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