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The Truth About Race, Religion, And The Honor Code At BYU
Deadspin.com ^ | April 13, 2011 | Luke O'Brien and Darron Smith

Posted on 04/15/2011 10:27:11 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: P-Marlowe
In case you hadn't noticed, he's not well received here. And not because he's a Mormon, but because he is a phony and a statist.

Well, for me, being Mormon is a legitimate enough reason. I'd never vote for a cultist for any office, ever. The other reasons you listed are perfectly legit also.

21 posted on 04/15/2011 1:05:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: colorcountry; P-Marlowe; Huddled Masses
Just an observation

Life's a witch isn't it, when one's posting history, or lack thereof is available for everyone to see.

22 posted on 04/15/2011 1:07:57 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Graybeard58
Romney's politics and record was so bad it wasn't till after he dropped that I even paid attention the the Mormon piece.

When I noticed how all his sychophants on FreeRepublic we almost following a script, a pattern, something I have never seen before in politics, and I have been around, I knew there was more to it. When I dicovered the same tricks in pro LDS postion it was what our dearly departed friend Paragaon Defender called an "ah ha" moment...

Great irony, Mitt's liberalism led me to looking into his cult...

23 posted on 04/15/2011 1:14:29 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: colorcountry

Wow, I think I stirred up a hornet’s nest. For the record I am a conservative and Republican. As a pro-business American I liked aspects of Romney’s business credintials. I still do. I hope there will be many pro-business AND strong conservatives to choose from to defeat Obama in 2012. However, I also believe Ronald Reagon said it best during his 1966 campaign for Governor of California (often referred to as The Eleventh Commandment) which reads:

“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”


24 posted on 04/15/2011 1:41:21 PM PDT by Huddled Masses ("There you go again...")
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To: Huddled Masses
“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”

That would be fine - if Romney was a true republican.

25 posted on 04/15/2011 1:46:01 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Huddled Masses
“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.”

FAIL! You've already done so on this very thread. Next.

26 posted on 04/15/2011 1:55:27 PM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: Huddled Masses

that’s nice..., but what are you doing on the Religion forum then?


27 posted on 04/15/2011 2:09:17 PM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Turtlepower; Huddled Masses; greyfoxx39; Godzilla; colorcountry; ejonesie22; Graybeard58; Elsie; ...
that’s nice..., but what are you doing on the Religion forum then?

It's kind of "funny" when you have someone pick a moniker linked to the phrase "yearning to be free" -- but then...
...criticizes posters...
... (all while claiming not to speak "ill" of fellow Republicans)...
...who dares to advocate that some under the bondage of religious legalism actually have the spiritual audacity to yearn to be free...
...even as they have social entanglements & "I've just invested too much" syndrome keeping many aboard the same religious Titanic...

28 posted on 04/15/2011 3:06:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Huddled Masses; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Graybeard58; Colofornian
As a pro-business American I liked aspects of Romney’s business credintials.

What exactly do you like about his business credentials?

The man inherited a boatload of money and after wasting scores of millions running for President, he still has some left.

FWIW, the money he made on his own, he made by borrowing money from other people and using that money to do leveraged buyouts of start up companies and then selling them off after bleeding them dry. Great business model. Sounds like what the Federal Government does with most small businesses and start up companies.

He got rich pretending he was the federal government, using borrowed money to forcefully take over small companies.

29 posted on 04/15/2011 3:21:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: All; Huddled Masses
One of the things about thread disruptors is they turn the focus off of the content of the article & on to the posters...after initiating that, they act surprised about boomerang "hornets' nest" responses when they themselves have initiated the re-route of the focus!

So...turning it back to the content...one of the surprising things with an article like this is that we have three major newspapers in the Salt Lake City - Provo region...
* Salt Lake Trib...which has lost whatever luster it had remaining over the past half-year or so...
* The Deseret News...owned & operated by the Mormon church...
* The Provo Herald...not sure if Mormon-owned...but in a town/county that's the most Lds in Utah, what can you expect other than BYU lackeys...ESPECIALLY in its sports department!!!?

So you have these dailys up & down the Wasatch Range...and what? They've forgotten how to conduct investigative journalism in highlighting discipline inconsistencies & problems @ the BYU campus?

I mean, yeah, the Des News has given up being anything other than a propaganda rag...so we wouldn't expect anything different from them...but are the other two that beholden to Mormon frowners?

30 posted on 04/15/2011 3:25:54 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: P-Marlowe; Huddled Masses; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Graybeard58; Godzilla; Elsie
FWIW, the money he made on his own, he made by borrowing money from other people and using that money to do leveraged buyouts of start up companies and then selling them off after bleeding them dry. Great business model. Sounds like what the Federal Government does with most small businesses and start up companies.

Well, you know who else commonly would conduct...
...leveraged buyouts...
...and bleeding them dry...?

Organized crime.

Of course, organized crime did that for $ laundering purposes...whereas...
Romney's "laundry" was just his own family's fur coats he wanted to keep "well-lined."

31 posted on 04/15/2011 3:30:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Huddled Masses; Jim Robinson
I also believe Ronald Reagon said it best during his 1966 campaign for Governor of California (often referred to as The Eleventh Commandment) which reads:

“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican".

I believe it's pretty obvious from your posting history that you are way behind times on the climate at FR regarding "Republicans". I believe if you continue to proselytize for a Romney candidacy here, you may eventually hear from the boss himself on the subject.

32 posted on 04/15/2011 4:42:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: Huddled Masses

Mitt Romney is no Republican!! You can take your support for that lying POS statist scumbag elsewhere or suffer the zot!!


33 posted on 04/15/2011 5:36:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; greyfoxx39

God Bless Jim Robinson!!

The incidence of Romney proselytizing is picking up. I dare say they won’t get away with what they did in 2008.


34 posted on 04/15/2011 5:43:27 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: ejonesie22
Well; the MESSAGE seems to be VERY consistant!


As an anti-mormon you continue to be obsessed with all things LDS. I am continually surprised that this website which is conservative and freedom loving continues to promote thru loose moderation attacks on any religion. All conservatives should seek to unite against the dark oppression that exists and seek a more Christ-like dialogue between each other. I’m sure my comment will spark mass postings (usually canned and rebroadcasted) from the normal dozen or so anti-mormon folks. You know who you are.


9 posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:41:47 AM by Huddled Masses ("There you go again...")


35 posted on 04/15/2011 7:25:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Huddled Masses

Ronnie did NOT say:

“Thou shalt not speak ill of any Rino.”


36 posted on 04/15/2011 7:26:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yea: fear him who can cast you into outer darkness!

;^)


37 posted on 04/15/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Huddled Masses

You would have a good point if Romney were a Republican.


38 posted on 04/16/2011 9:39:07 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian
I brought my comments over from the other deadspin-linked discussion:

From the article:

Leave aside the impossibility of requiring over 30,000 hormonal young adults to abstain from sex or alcohol in college.

I managed to make it through 4 years of secular college, and all the way to my wedding night, without having sex.

I did drink twice, just because I wanted to see what it was like -- it wasn't illegal at that time, and my religion had no objection.

And our government expects most college students to abstain from drinking alcohol -- because it is now illegal until you are 21, and most students are under 21.

But there is a general antipathy toward religion and religious beliefs in modern society, and a major part of that antipathy is this myth that people CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES.

It's why we have to give 11-year-olds condoms, because we "can't expect them" to behave, or abstain from sex. I always wondered if that meant it was ok for the dorky 16-year-old who nobody will go out with to rape a classmate -- after all, we "can't expect him to abstain"?

And here we have writers suggesting that we can't expect young adults to obey the rules they sign up for in exchange for a college education.

BTW, "abstaining from sex and alcohol" is child's play compared to the rules athletes are required to follow to adhere to NCAA rules and regulations.

Your response that they are "statistically right" isn't meaningful. We don't "expect" everybody to obey the laws either, in the sense that we know some people will commit murder, but when they do, we punish them -- we don't throw out the rules about murder because some people can't follow them.

That's not the only quote from the authors that show their disdain for religion:

Since its earliest days, the LDS church, like most white Christian churches, maintained that blacks were not fully human.
Not sure what churches these writers attended that taught that.

Anyway, this was a weird story, which in addition to bashing morality and christianity, suggests that BYU goes out of it's way into tricking good athletes into coming to their school, just so they can send secret snitches and snoops around to catch them in violations and throw them out.

No real explanation is given as to how BYU benefits from recruiting star athletes and then kicking them out of school. It certainly didn't help them in the NCAA tournament.

I'd be more inclined to consider their argument if they simply argued that BYU selectively enforces their rules based on how public the violations were. As it is, it sounds more like a combination of conspiracy theory and race-baiting.

39 posted on 04/16/2011 1:45:50 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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