OVER THERE!!!!!
Posted on 04/19/2011 1:03:44 PM PDT by Colofornian
The Mormon Church claims it never knew one of its members, 49-year-old Susan Brock, the somewhat-estranged wife of Maricopa County Supervisor Fulton Brock, was sexually abusing a teenage boy before her arrest...
This, according to court documents obtained by New Times, is a lie.
The church issued the following statement...
"Any allegation that Church leaders knew of abuse but did nothing is inaccurate and offensive...When abuse does occur we work to see that it is reported to the authorities."
SNIP
According to court docs, the relationship was uncovered by the victim's girlfriend, who discovered sex-themed text messages...on the boy's phone. The girl told her parents, who contacted Susan Brock, as well as her county supervisor husband, to tell them they knew of the abuse.
Rather than call the police, Fulton Brock called his bishop at the Mormon Church, to whom Susan Brock admitted having...sex...with the boy.
When the boy's parents were told...rather than immediately call police, they also contacted their bishop in the Mormon Church.
As the father of the victim...told police, after meeting with Church leaders, he was "under the impression" cops would be called. But they weren't -- as the boy's father was waiting for Church leaders to alert authorities...he figured he'd just call them on his own.
But that wasn't the first time the Mormon Church learned of suspicions that Brock was abusing the boy.
...about a year before Susan Brock's arrest, the Brocks and the victim's parents met with leaders in the Mormon Church. The topic of conversation: suspicions that Susan Brock was having sex with the teenage victim.
SNIP
Nobody called police...not Fulton Brock, not the boy's parents, and not the Mormon Church.
The abuse...continued for a year before police were notified -- and when police were notified, it wasn't by Mormon Church officials...
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com ...
Are you approving of this tactic in the case of a 14-year-old who is sexually abused?
Two seperate bishops failed to notify either the law or Child Services of this pedophilia. Also, Susan Brock's daughter was arrested on similar pedophilia charges involving the same boy.
This is noting but an attempt to cover up by the mormon church leadership.
It's been in the news for months in Phoenix, since October 2010....and the mormon church is just NOW making a statement. The facts that have come to light are disgusting and the church didn't say a word until the court records were made public.
Supervisor’s Wife Accused Of Sex With Minor
Brock pleads guilty (Woman and daughter both have sex with underage male-Phoenix)
Mother and daughter accused of molesting teen boy for three years, police say
Interesting little speech.
You can build strawmen to your heart's content, but in essence it appears that you are trying to give a pass to the mormon church for the fact that two seperate bishops withheld information of pedophilia from law enforcement and child service officials because the wife of a prominent mormon was involved.
Is it ONLY in MORMONland that a teenage 'boy', gettin' it ON! with two older women, is considered a VICTIM?
Ah...
VICTIMhood!
Where would the MORMON Religious Organization be without it?
OVER THERE!!!!!
Dang!
I noticed the 317 area code instantly as being Central Indiana.
Sure ‘nuf; an INDIANAPOLIS outfit: cross bearer ministry
These folks are not here to minterogate, either, but their WORDS live on - NEVER having been retracted or apologized for.
ENJOY
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).
So every single lay Mormon knew about this incident? Every single one?
Oh, sure, you condemn molestation...but since when has this thread mentioned any "molester?"
ALL: Note how this poster, MissesBush, comes on this thread minus any condemnation of this repeat pedophile rapist...let's size up how she has referenced this repeat pedophile rapist:
* Post #2, sent. 2: One of those "people" who confesses "sins" [so repeated pedophile rape from a rapist is reduced to mere "sin" status]
* Post #2, sent. 3: Doesn't reference Brock -- as she talks about some hypothetical "criminal" -- "person committing a criminal act WOULD..."
* Post #3: No reference to Brock
* Post #20, sent. 1: MissesBush labels a repeat pedophile rapist as a "molester"...[more reductionism advocacy on her part]
* Post #20, sent. 2: She finally gets around to addressing "the evils of sexual abuse"
Then, instead of condemning repeat pedophile rapists, she takes out her venom on those who highlight such rapists...and the fact that the Mormon church in AZ could have pre-empted a whole year of such abuse had it acted...
ALL of her posts -- especially post #20 -- shows rampant & extreme intolerance of religious comments made by FReepers...all in the name of supposed "tolerance!"
If she was so tolerant herself, her words would show that...they don't...she shows the very religious bigotry she accuses others of...which means by her very own standard she becomes a "tool of Satan" revealed by how she engages in "fighting one another" -- other FReepers! If she was truly a tolerant person, she wouldn't be so intolerant of others' comments on this thread...
...She wouldn't engage in such a fighting stance with fellow conservatives...
...And she wouldn't go around calling people such highly inflammatory provocative language like "tools of Satan..."
Instead, she would model charitable behavior toward those religious vantage points she disagrees with...but she doesn't...and therefore reveals that by her words & post-actions.
Therefore, while she won't tolerate a few critiques of the Mormon church...she basically gives almost a condemnation-free pass of a repeat pedophile rapist...
Tell us, MissesBush...do you regularly engage in identity politics when it comes to Mormon criminals...or do you do this with repeat Pedophile rapists of all stripes?
Hpw many are enough for you? A couple hundred thousand? Fifteen? Two?
First of all, we'll cede that LDS Bishops are "clergy", even though they are unpaid "volunteers" and have no real training, unlike Catholic and protestant clergy who have college training.
Now we have to understand in what context clergy may claim confidentiality. The gulity party must have come to the clergy who must have been acting in official capacity and confessed a crime. No one else may have been present except other clergy.
Now we'll specifically talk about child abuse. If a member of the clergy has a reaonable suspicion of abuse being committed, even by his congregant, he is REQUIRED by law to report to police.
If he hears about it through a third party he is REQUIRED to report.
If anyone else was present besides other clergy when abuse was confessed, or if it was revealed in a non-official capacity, he is REQUIRED to report.
And in 26 states, INCLUDING ARIZONA, even if child abuse was reported withing the usual bounds of clergy-penitent confines, HE IS STILL REQUIRED BY LAW TO REPORT.
check it out here: Mandatory Reporting of Child Abuse and Neglect
When abuse does occur we work to see that it is reported to the authorities."
You either report it or not. You don't "work to see" that it is reported.
I'll cede no such thing, thank you. You can cede it if you like, but I won't.
There's another story here about a bunch of Jesuits who molested hundreds of native Alaskan kids over decades. The "Church", Catholic in this case, settled the case for over 1.5 million dollars.
That doesn't mean that Catholicism is false, and it doesn't mean that the entire Catholic Church "knew" about it. Now this Colofornian person, in my opinion, is more than just a little bit disturbed. She seems to enjoy having my posts yanked rather than responding to me directly even tho I ping her every time I mention her, as required by the rules of the forum.
Her opinion is that Mormonism is somehow evil and she regularly posts stories like this to back that up. Now I just mentioned that story posted here about those Jesuits sexually abusing children. But I don't use that to indict the entire Catholic Church.
So I'll say it again. In my opinion Colofornian isn't much of a Christian. She's violating the Commandment against bearing false witness against another.
She has no evidence that the entire Mormon Church knew of these horrible crimes and neither do you. Colofornian hates Mormonism, that's the bottom line here. If she had any guts she'd respond directly to me instead of having my posts yanked. But, she won't do that.
I guess that's easier than attempting any logical point by point refutation of what I have to say. So Colofornian, go ahead. Go whine to the Mod about how mean I am.
I have to work in the morning so it's off to bed for me.
Dang!
I thought it was COURTESY.
You err in your evaluation.
EVERY Christian organization says that MORMONism is a heresy.
MORMONism's own WRITINGS prove this fact.
Her 'opinion' is not an OPINION at all.
We return you now to the TOPIC of the thread: The MORMON 'authorities' LIED!
What did YOUR post say?
(You may send it, verbatum, in FREEPMAIL and it'll go thru to me; I think.)
Right; RM?
In which reply number does she state that it did?
THIS is the TITLE of the thread; lifted from an EXTERNAL source: Phoenix New Times
You need to write to THEM and complain about the LIE.
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