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Priests, Abuse, and the Meltdown of a Culture. The lessons of an important new study.
National Review ^ | 05/19/2011 | George Weigel

Posted on 05/19/2011 7:00:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: TSgt
Simple, it illustrates the fact that instead of addressing the abuse, many Catholics deflect...

So the Catholic Church has done nothing to address the abuse issue? Really? You must attend a different parish than I do. My priest regularly talks about sins of homosexuality and the disaster that the abuse has brought on the victims. Pamphlets are posted encouraging people to report inappropriate behavior, and, as best can be done, mechanisms are in-place to make certain abuse does not go unchecked.

Oh - wait - you don't go to a Catholic Church. You'd have no idea about any of this. Gee, looks like you're throwing a load of crap around, only caring that it makes Catholics look bad. Hallmark of a hater.

141 posted on 05/19/2011 11:34:14 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Good for your priest.

I don’t need to attend a Catholic church when they publish “reports” like this to know they refuse to accept responsibility for the abuse. Or I could look toward Rome and see the pedophile protector Cardinal Law prancing around the pope. Smoke and mirrors...


142 posted on 05/19/2011 11:36:58 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: Natural Law

Natural Law,

You are unworthy of any response from me and everyone on this forum is keenly aware of your true colors.

Attacking another FReeper’s service is a very poor reflection of this forum.


143 posted on 05/19/2011 11:43:26 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: TSgt
"Attacking another FReeper’s service is a very poor reflection of this forum."

I never attacked your service record, I simply pointed out that you weren't Rambo in response to your chest beating.

Of course it would be real easy for you to substantiate your allegations by simply posting the alleged offending remarks..........tick..........tick..........tick

144 posted on 05/19/2011 11:48:21 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: TSgt

Hatred is a sin, a mortal sin, one that any Christian of any denomination can see will permanently separate him/her from Christ Jesus the Savior.

You have my prayers, CATHOLIC prayers, for healing of whatever grudge you may be nurturing; if there is none, then I pray for Christ Jesus, Risen Son of the Living God and Lord of my life, to bless you with health, strength, a loving family and many friends, and financial security. I pray this for you because you really APPEAR to be living a hate-filled life. I could be wrong, though.


145 posted on 05/19/2011 11:48:35 AM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: TSgt
I don’t need to attend a Catholic church when they publish “reports” like this to know they refuse to accept responsibility for the abuse. Or I could look toward Rome and see the pedophile protector Cardinal Law prancing around the pope. Smoke and mirrors...

1. Good for your priest Yeah, surely I'm in the one and only diocese that is actively addressing the abuse crisis. You're right to slam every other priest and bishop for being accomplices to child molestation.

2. The Catholic Church did not publish this report. The article states it was independently done by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Is it not logical that an organization would hire a qualified independent entity to examine a problem?

3. Why do you suppose Law is in Rome, not running his own diocese? Could this be more of the Church "doing nothing" about the abuse scandal?

146 posted on 05/19/2011 11:52:28 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal; Judith Anne; TSgt
"I don’t need to attend a Catholic church..."

So again, what is the particular fascination with this subject? Why would a normal, healthy adult male spend so very much time dwelling on a subject this distasteful when he is neither a Catholic nor an altar boy? Why would anyone who claims to have nothing but good intentions partake in a crusade that accomplishes nothing positive and damages the greatest instrument of good in the world? It defies logic and reasoning and points to a far more sinister agenda.

148 posted on 05/19/2011 11:55:25 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: TSgt

The report looks more like an attempt to understand the problem better rather than an attempt to minimize or whitewash.


149 posted on 05/19/2011 11:59:20 AM PDT by conservonator (Kant spill or type...probably due to a meaningless degree from a lame Midwest school)
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To: Natural Law
So again, what is the particular fascination with this subject? Why would a normal, healthy adult male spend so very much time dwelling on a subject this distasteful when he is neither a Catholic nor an altar boy? Why would anyone who claims to have nothing but good intentions partake in a crusade that accomplishes nothing positive and damages the greatest instrument of good in the world? It defies logic and reasoning and points to a far more sinister agenda.

You're a piece of work. A very close family member of mine was abused by your beloved clergy. It destroyed their life. If only you were so fervent in defending the innocent victims as you are in attacking those like me who choose to stand beside them. At this point, I would ask that you reach deep into your faith and question whether or not you want to continue.
151 posted on 05/19/2011 12:01:53 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: Natural Law

When there is hatred, let us sow love, where there is injury, pardon...please?

May God bless you, FRiend.


152 posted on 05/19/2011 12:07:34 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: TSgt
"A very close family member of mine was abused by your beloved clergy."

Well I'm calling Bravo Sierra! If it were really as big an issue to you as you imply you would be doing far more than sniping anonymously on FR. You would be actively engaged and working on solutions and preventive measures. The ironic proof that you aren't is that you were really engaged would know that so very much of the stuff you post is false.

153 posted on 05/19/2011 12:08:22 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: TSgt

That statement of yours makes it look as though you are attempting to get revenge on every Catholic who defends the church, as though you might consider yourself the prosecutor for every evil done by any Catholic anywhere at any time.

In truth, we are all evil, and require mercy. We are all injured, and require healing. We are all human. Can you see that? Must we all always hurt each other? Is there no end?


154 posted on 05/19/2011 12:11:41 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Natural Law
Well I'm calling Bravo Sierra!

Lockstop with the Catholic MO on this issue.

You have my offer internet tough guy...
155 posted on 05/19/2011 12:11:50 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: TSgt
A very close family member of mine was abused by your beloved clergy.

Which diocese?

156 posted on 05/19/2011 12:13:16 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Judith Anne
Is there no end?

No, not until the excuses stop...

I will say thank you for praying for me and not calling my personal life experience a lie. Because it isn't.
157 posted on 05/19/2011 12:13:40 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: marshmallow

It happened in Northern Kentucky however the intimate details are none of your concern.

Again, typical, blame the victim or call them a liar.

At least you are consistent.


158 posted on 05/19/2011 12:16:11 PM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: TSgt

Just a suggestion:

It could be a horrible mistake to say, “When the other guy is sinless, I’ll quit hitting him.” Because then you may be held to the same standard by someone you may have injured.


159 posted on 05/19/2011 12:16:21 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: TSgt

I don’t believe you are lying and I am sorry for the pain suffered by your relative and by you.


160 posted on 05/19/2011 12:18:21 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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