Posted on 05/21/2011 4:46:26 AM PDT by marbren
Second, your title is an insult based on hatred and ignorance - which is not something that would come from a Christian but is typical of the Church-hating modern American Religion and Futurist Enthusiast. The term "Replacement Theology" has been made popular by the Reprobate and false teacher John Hagee and has been lapped up uncritically by those who have a psychological disorder that is in a large part narcissistic and misanthropic.
None of the mainstream eschatologies say that the Church has "replaced" Israel (with the exception of your faith system), rather all recognize that the Church is made up of all people, of every nation who have faith (Gal 3:29; Eph 2:11-22). That is, according to the Scriptures, the whole of spiritual Israel is made up of Jews and Gentiles alike who have been elected into faith in our LORD. Therefore it is not "replacement" rather it is "realized" or "expanded". To deny that, as your cult does, is to deny the Gospel and the Doctrines of Redemption.
Ironically, for you mockers who cry "Replacementarian", it is you have replaced Israel with yourselves! According to the Christian material publishing industry, the second most popular passage in Scripture used as props for posters, jewelry, calendars, etc. after John 3:16, is Jeremiah 29:11 "I know the plans I have for you..." (NIV) Another in the top twenty-five is 2 Chr 7:14 "If My people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray..." The latter passage is far more interesting as it is almost the motto silk-screened upon your white surrender flags. In both cases, the promises and advice are unique to the ethnic Jews and are not transferred to you or to Christians or to the united States as often as 2 Chr is often thought to mean. Therefore you folks look silly screaming "Replacementarian!" at those who believe in "Expansion Theology" while you yourselves have hypocritically replaced Israel with your own vanity and ego.
But lets set aside the lies, insults and hypocrisy that alone make up the title of your vanity post and look at the body of your rant.
Out of the box, the first statement is an outright lie, and proof that you know absolutely nothing about Harold Camping's strange teachings. That could be remedied by a minute's worth of google-ing, but the underlying narcissism and desire to insult exceeds honesty and truth. Camping believes the Church Age has already ended. Its Dispensationalism that invented the concept of multiple "Ages" and "Dispensations". Amils and Post Mils have always recognized the Biblical Two Ages ("this age and the age to come") taught by Jesus Christ and the apostles. Your cult has rejected that and replaced our LORD's teachings with 3, 4, 7 or even 8 different "dispensations" (depends on the teacher for how many). Camping's assertion of cessation of the "Church Age" means that Camping does not believe in Post Millennialism, or as you spitefully and wrongly call it "Replacement Theology", but buys into certain elements of your faith system - dittos with "Rapture" which is not a concept taught in any of the traditional and orthodox eschatologies but is a distinguishing characteristic of yours.
Its your crowd that has the history of date-setting, and Harold Camping is doing the same thing illuminaries of the Dispensationalist movement have been doing for the last century. Outside the foolishness of date-setting, or even age-setting, which is the bastard child of date-setting and extremely popular among Dysfunctionalists, the offensive nature of Camping's message is how its based deeply in allegory and numerology - two items rejected by conservative reformed theologians but hermeneutics that are embraced by Dispensationalists. It is your crowd that views the Bible as a puzzle book and crystal ball that only special "spirit filled" sorcerers can interpret. Its your crowd that bought by the warehouse load "The Bible Codes", "Prophecies in the Psalms", "88 Reasons Why the Rapture is in 1988" and other magic books and tools to transform the Futurist into a modern day seer, prophet and office-cooler oracle.
Looking back at the hypocrisy of calling others "Replacementarians" while you yourself actively replacing Israel with yourself, the American Religion, the united States et al. Your crowd has often called Amos 3:7 a passage that is "relevant to me" in that it states "Surely the LORD God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.". This passage has been used by several prominent Dispensationalist who are shilling their Prophecy books - well, guess who else uses literal/replacement hermeneutic to that passage? Your spiritual cousin Harold Camping! A passage he sites to justify his ability to know the date of the "rapture".
So let's review: Dispensationalists and Camping both believe in a Dispensations, Rapture, date/age setting, numerology, allegorizing the Scriptures, wooden literalism in most cases, hustling prophecy books and conferences to make a buck and gather groupies, and replacing Israel with himself.
It seems to me, that y'all have far more in common with Camping's Eschatology than Christians do. So why are you upset about his date setting when the heroes of your faith have been doing so for generations? Is it because he doesn't share the American's Religion rejection of the Doctrines of Grace? Is it because, as John MacArthur has pointed out in his book that the American Religion prefers earthly living over heavenly living and Camping is calling for shutting down the orgy earlier than y'all want? Is it because he is taking your modus opererandi to the next level and it makes your system look as ridiculous to you as it has been to Christondom and the world?
A majority of the church going world has been victimized. I believed the lie for 35 years. During the past 20 I have been seeking the truth and only recently did I stop saying IMHO replacement theology is a lie and replaced it with: Replacement theology is a lie dropping the IMHO. For those that do not know, Replacement theology is the lie that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan.
Your narcissism and vanity greatly exceeds your spiritual knowledge. The brash arrogance that you exhibit here - daring to call yourself smarter, enlightened and spiritually superior to men who have forgotten more theology than you will ever know, and then topping it off by calling them liars and deceivers only certifies your hatred and contempt for the Church and the Saints of God.
In this post of yours, you successfully demonstrated the exact opposite attribute of a child of our LORD's Kingdom by slandering the Church, writing Jesus Christ and His bride out of the OT, insulting and accusing pillars of the faith as liars and deceivers and raising your ignorant and insulting self as the paragon of spiritual knowledge and theological accuracy. I would expect nothing less from a demon from Hell.
Repent
Lots of looney tunes going on on this thread.
Nice tag line BTW.
Perhaps one could conduct a survey to see if the posters feel you are one of the anointed. It would bode well for you, Aimee,Uncle Milty, and your buddies both from this world and others, to accept Jesus as your personal Savior.
Thank You for your comments.
How judgmental. I wonder if your assertions as to the truth of my comments aligns itself with Lev 19:18,Mt 5 38-44,Mt 2:21-24 Mt 6:12. Perhaps salient interpretive tools, free of toxins and venom, could explain to us how Jesus apparently carved an exception for you to His admonitions in the aforementioned citations . I am sure Harold Camping would be up to this task.
Thank You GiovannaNicoletta, was there some heresy associated with a scripture interpretation of this verse taken out of context also or am I a victim false memory syndrome?
amen
amen
In Revelation 21 we see the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and earth with twelve pearl gates each named for a tribe of Israel and twelve foundation layers of gemstones each named for an Apostle.
And in Revelation 4 we see twenty four elders around the throne of God. It doesn't say but I perceive these correspond to the twenty four mentioned in chapter 21.
The Song of Moses (Deut 32) is mentioned in Revelation 15, but Moses himself is not mentioned. Neither is Enoch, Noah, Abraham, David, Solomon, Elijah, Mary (though some would argue that she is mentioned in chapter 12 by metaphor) and so on. Neither Peter nor Paul are mentioned by name. John is mentioned only as the one receiving the revelation.
Indeed the angel in Revelation 22:9 gives us the clue when John bows before him:
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last [shall be] first. - Matt 19:27-30
To God be the glory not man never man.
If there was, I've never heard of it but that doesn't mean that it never happened.
Most of Scripture has been taken out of context at one time or another. It wouldn't surprise me if this was also.
It's so much easier just to take Scripture as God gave it to us.
Amen!
What freedom it will be to not have to think about ourselves!
I realize that sounds strange, but a lot of depression results from self-obsession. How joyful it will be to have nothing to think about but our awesome God!
Praise God!!!
alamo placemarker...
How can you demonstrate my words oppose the Words of God? Can you prove you have spoken to Him and gleaned this message or have you received it from Harold Camping or some prideful interpretation attributable to Sola Scriptura.?
Your cherry picking, irrelevant-to the issue, bible verses are non-sequitur which again show the shallow bankrupt nature of your assertions.
Perhaps I could instruct a course for the stiffed necked white washed sephlecurs who post on this forum to accept Jesus as their personal savior? Oh wait! It appears the Age of Miracles is over. Sorry
that verse is 100% true, just like the whole Bible is. it again says one second coming, it does not contain a third coming, as you falsely believe. cite one verse where it mentions Jesus coming a third time please.
WOW Thank You Alamo-Girl and GiovannaNicoletta my Heart feels joy just thinking about it. AMEN PRAISE GOD!
You put words in my mouth with your 'own savior' nonsense.
Matthew 24 has a second and third coming in it? which verse?
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