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Author: LDS is 'dangerous religion' [Romney article]
Deseret News ^ | May 31, 2011 | Hal Boyd

Posted on 06/01/2011 10:06:48 AM PDT by Colofornian

Bill Keller infamously announced in 2007, "If you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan!"

While expressing less vitriol in his delivery, evangelical author Warren Cole Smith said something similar in his recent article, "A Vote for Romney Is a Vote for the LDS Church."

Smith wrote, "I believe a candidate who either by intent or effect promotes a false and dangerous religion is unfit to serve. … A Romney presidency would have the effect of actively promoting a false religion in the world. If you have any regard for the Gospel of Christ, you should care. A false religion should not prosper with the support of Christians. The salvation of souls is at stake."

Mormon scholar and author Joanna Brooks spoke with Smith about his views regarding Mormonism. In the interview posted on religiondispatches.org, Brooks said: "I can understand from an evangelical perspective why you view our religion as 'false.' But why do you think we are 'dangerous?'"

Smith replied, "Let me ask you: is anything that is false not dangerous? Anything false is dangerous. Falsehood leads to danger."

Brooks countered by asking if other faiths he considered theologically "false" like Judaism and Catholicism are also dangerous. Smith said that those faiths are both different from Mormonism.

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: false; lds; mormon; rino; romney; romneycare; socializedmedicine; yawn
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To: greyfoxx39

161 posted on 06/01/2011 5:05:59 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: svcw

No they don’t. Not if they’re true Mormons. All of that is totally against their beliefs.


162 posted on 06/01/2011 5:08:44 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: svcw
Not a “defender” of Mormonism (I truly have no idea what they are about). I do not see mittens as a Mormon, just a slick willied back stabbing “big government” jerk.
163 posted on 06/01/2011 5:16:29 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: RowdyFFC; svcw
Adding to SVCW's comment at 147, here are some links you should be interested in given your comment: "No they don’t. Not if they’re true Mormons. All of that is totally against their beliefs."

1. Salt Lake City is America's Leader in Plastic Surgery:
As the number of cosmetic procedures nationwide continues to surge, we looked at which cities have most embraced market demand for taut faces, lush lips and flat abs. Most shocking of all was the town that ranked first: Salt Lake City.
http://www.utahbusiness.com/issues/articles/10710/2011/02/survival_of_the_fittest

2. Utah is America's Most Depressed State:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4403731&page=1

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695231614/Utah-leads-the-nation-in-rates-of-depression.html

3. Utah has the most bankruptcy filings in America:
Despite Utah's falling bankruptcy numbers, the state ranked first nationally in households per filing, with one of every 36.5 households in the state filing for bankruptcy for the 12 months ended March 31, 2004, according to the ABI.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600103927,00.html
http://ezinearticles.com/?Utah,-the-Nations-Bankruptcy-Capital&id=38697

It has fallen to second place
http://www.bankruptcyaction.com/USbankstats.htm


4. Utah has the most anti-depressant use, especially in women: Study Finds Utah Leads Nation in Antidepressant Use. Some point to the pressures of Mormonism, especially for women, to explain the surprising findings.
http://www.usu.edu/psycho101/lectures/chp2methods/study.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/03/eveningnews/main510918.shtml

5. Utah leads the nation in suicides among men aged 15 to 24:
Could it be that they can't admit they don't want to go on missions, or assume other church "leadership" positions?
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/lds_LowSuicideRate.html
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635201873,00.html

6. Utah has the most per-capita fraud in America:
Salt Lake City, with a mere 170,000 residents, is by far the country's smallest city where the scam-fighting U.S. Securities & Exchange Commission has an office. It has been there since the early 1950s. Why? "There is a lot of fraud here per capita," says local SEC boss Kenneth Israel. "There doesn't seem to be any shortage of work for us."
http://www.lds-mormon.com/6303056a.shtml
http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/news/UtahScamState.html

7. Utah is #1 in mortgage fraud in America:
In 2001, the FBI listed Utah as No. 1 in the country for the amount of mortgage fraud cases reported.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600151169,00.html

2006 it dropped to second
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=425506

8. Since 1991, Utah's rape rate has consistently inched higher than the national rate. By 2002, Utah ranked 14th in the nation for rapes.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600125585,00.html

9. Utah leads the nation on searches for the seach word “Poronography”, “strip tease” and nudity (all by a wide margin)
http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=%22nudity%22&geo=US&date=1%2F2010%2012m&cmpt=geo

10. Utah leads the nation in subscriptions to pornographic sites
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705288350/Utah-No-1-in-online-porn-subscriptions-report-says.html

11. Utah placed 24 of 50 for divorce at 3.5 per thousand, Idaho placed 46th at 5 per thousand.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st_DIVORCE_20100813.html


164 posted on 06/01/2011 5:19:20 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Why do people try to "out-nice" Jesus?)
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To: RowdyFFC
Read the lds publications, there are dozens of articles where they are aligning themselves with muslims. Read the statistics about divorce, infidelity and bankruptcy. It maybe be against their stated beliefs but that is not how they live their lives. As a side note, what is a "true" mormon. The only mormons living the life of the original mormons are the flds.

http://www.infobarrel.com/Utah_Divorce_and_Representation_Statistics

In 2002, Utah's personal bankruptcy rate is the highest in U.S. According to an August 2002 Associated Press article:[1] Utah residents are more likely to file for bankruptcy than residents of any other state, according to a financial research organization. During the year ending March 31 [2002], roughly one of every 35 Utah households filed for bankruptcy, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute, a Virginia-based research organization. That far outpaced the national average of one for every 69 households.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&biw=1193&bih=687&q=mormons+%2B+muslims&aq=f&aqi=g1g-v6g-b2&aql=&oq=

165 posted on 06/01/2011 5:29:03 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: NoGrayZone; Religion Moderator
Any FReeper can look at all your previous posts and see exactly who you are. If you aren’t bashing Mormons, what else are you good for?

I take it you have had a previous experience with me, since I haven't been actively posting anything at all about Mormonism for about a year. You seem to have a fixation on me, I wonder why.

166 posted on 06/01/2011 5:58:54 PM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: colorcountry

stalker placemarker


167 posted on 06/01/2011 6:06:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: svcw

I don’t know much about the religion except the people that I have met that are mormon are usually great, decent family oriented people I would be glad to have as neighbors. There might be the rotten apple here and there, but I prefer right now to turn my attention to the socialists and muslims. : )


168 posted on 06/01/2011 6:24:52 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: Elsie

I care alot about the God they serve. But I haven’t really been following all this. What has he done that is so bad? What is it about the mormons that everyone is so angry about?


169 posted on 06/01/2011 6:37:48 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: abigail2

Please do research on the Mountain Meadows massacre.
LDS leadership directed the attack on Christians who were passing through.


170 posted on 06/01/2011 6:44:19 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: abigail2
Well, Abs if lds were not aligning themselves with muslims you might have a point. They do have a great PR machine.
171 posted on 06/01/2011 6:44:46 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: abigail2
Abs when you say you do not know much about what they (lds) believe, you need to find out. In short, lds teach that Jesus is created not Eternal, that God was once a man just like us and progressed to a godhood status, lds teach that you must work for your Salvation “after all you can do”, they teach that all men can become gods, Joseph Smith would decide who gets into heaven, he once said he was greater than Jesus, he also said he would be the next mohammad - you should find out what and who they are and not rely on the lds PR machine.
172 posted on 06/01/2011 6:53:25 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: abigail2

1) 161 years ago, Mormons murdered people crossing the dessert
2) Some Freepers used to be Mormons and feel bad about it while blaming the church for all ills
3) Romney is the anti-FR candidate and is a Mormon

That is why there are anti Mormon threads popping up a few times a day. Ive seen the same crew try to use BYU’s basketball tournament loss as a springboard into to Mormon Derangement Syndrome. And yes, it is possible to hate something without saying “I hate...” We all know Obama hates the Constitution, but he has never used the words in any publication.


173 posted on 06/01/2011 7:10:25 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam
not anti-mormon, anti-mormonISM
174 posted on 06/01/2011 7:39:27 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Raider Sam
mormons teach Jesus was created, that God was once a man, that you must earn your Salvation, that J Smith said he would decide who goes to heaven, that he would be the next mohammad. It is mormonISM that is the issue.
175 posted on 06/01/2011 7:42:23 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Colofornian

I am not familiar with Bill Keller. Is his platform that a Mormon should not hold office, or that any non-Christian should not hold office? For example, what about an Orthodox Jew or an individual of no faith?


176 posted on 06/01/2011 7:42:23 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: Texan Tory
So I think it is equally wrong to extrapolate clannish behavior by some Mormons to Mormons generally. True.

There is plenty of clannishness to go around in ANY organization!

But; on the flip side:

...it is equally wrong to extrapolate NON-clannish behavior by some Mormons to Mormons generally.

177 posted on 06/01/2011 7:46:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NoGrayZone

No problem; as it is easy to get confused here.

I think I might have been confused a few times as well ;^)


178 posted on 06/01/2011 7:47:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NoGrayZone
You are right about how Jesus treated sinners, but wrong about Him extending that same treatment to the self righteous:

Downing others, I believe, is prideful.


(Sourced from NIV)


 


 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 


Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 

And St. Paul chimes in...

Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 


179 posted on 06/01/2011 7:52:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NoGrayZone
The only thing I am concerned with is finding a Bible based church...

I pray that you do. We all need the fellowship of LIKE-MINDED believers.

180 posted on 06/01/2011 7:55:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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