Did Mary Have Other Children?

Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry ^ | Unknown | Matt Slick

[Titanites]

No. My assertions stand about those verses. In the context of the whole of Scripture and in the context of the culture and mindsets of the culture . . . the verses make no sense unless they are referring as fair-minded translators accurately depict— about Christ’s blood half brothers and sisters by the authentic Mary.

Yes, you keep saying this, but without providing some supporting evidence your assertions are nothing but empty, as opposed to narses' post which included evidence from Scripture.

[Titanites]

Rationalized smoke, mirrors, rubberized ‘bibles’ and concocted Magicsterical !!!!TRADITION!!!! are all horrid things with which to try and understand authentic Biblical Truth.

You neglected to add "Quix's assertions".

[Quix]

Only in your fantasies.

[Titanites]

Only in your fantasies.

Claiming to know my fantasies is minding reading. Please try to abide by the rules.

[Quix]

NOPE.

Was only talking about what you posted.

[Titanites]

NOPE. Was only talking about what you posted.

You claimed that what I posted was in my fantasies. It's not a fantasy; indeed using "Quix's assertions" is a horrid thing with which to try and understand authentic Biblical Truth.

[Quix]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yes . . .

according to

Pope Titanites.

[bow, scrape, kissing toes and rings, crawling away backwards]

LOL

[Natural Law]

"Accuracy in labeling for the lurkers."

Do you really believe that the "lurkers" heed any of the muck slung on these threads and make decisions involving their immortal souls based upon those types of characterizations?

"As long as the Vatican cultists hereon propagate the more outrageous cultish beliefs, practices and dogma, I expect to continue to use the more accurate label."

One of the things I respect and admire about the Pentacostal movement is their passion and demonstrable love of Jesus. That same passion is blunted when it is used as a means to denegrate other Christians and sew discord and hatred. Frankly, you and the Pentacostal movement are better than that.

I personally think all Proddys should."

I really wish you wouldn't use the term "Proddy". It is analogous to blacks calling each other the n-word. It is disrespectful towards the millions of decent and pious Protestants and is used as an excuse to use anti-Catholic slurs such as RC, papist,etc.

[Quix]

. . . am ready to attend to other priorities . . .

enjoy your mental . . . fondlings

I hope the bunnies are facilitating your furry meditations.

[Cronos]

hoping the lights come on for you. In a traditional society like that of Israel 2000 years ago, like the Semitic world today, the eldest son does not give the custody of the widowed mother to a stranger if there are younger brothers or sisters.

That is not done

Stop looking at things through the prism of today and see how a different culture in a different time did things

[Cronos]

Scripture links the ark of the old covenant to the ark of the new covenant

Ezekiel 44 indicates the prince which is Jesus, so not intercourse with him..

[Cronos]

so, wait a minute -- you dispute this, yet don't you believe that Jesse Duplantis "preaches the scripture"?

Jesse Duplantis who says

"With fierce prayers and determination to see my mother healed, I started talking to God. "What is going on here?! I'm praying! Dad's praying! Why isn't she healed? You cannot allow death to defeat me, God. You made a covenant with me through Jesus' blood! And that covenant says by His stripes we were healed! Where is that healing? If you break this covenant with me, you'll have to cease to be God! You must keep covenant with me. You must obey your Word!"

[Cronos]

how can anyone say Jesse Duplantis’ Heaven visit revealed a visual experience at The Throne vis a vis Christ being in The Father and The Father being in Christ that portrayed it about as well as I’d ever heard of.

when Jesse, the demonic con-man Duplantis gives a new revelation that God is a mile-high and surrounded by a huge wall and actually in the shape of a man, is that what you would consider "revealed to us"? Is it a new revelation?

[Cronos]

do note -- the question was does Jesse Duplantis' revelation that God is a mile-high and surrounded by a huge wall and actually in the shape of a man, is that what you would consider "revealed to us"? Is it a new revelation?

for instance, Jesse says

I saw Him! I saw Elohim, Jehovah God, Yahweh sitting on the Throne! But I saw His feet - only His feet. . . He is so big - you can’t describe Him in a dimension. His hand is huge! His body, the form of it, is sort of like energy, spirit. There’s a wall around the Throne, but the Throne is higher than the wall - that’s why you can see the Throne from every direction, from a distance. And that power, that energy-like smoke of God, covers all around the chair of the Throne itself."

besides the fact that this contradicts I Tim. 6:16 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. -- is this what "He has revealed to us"? Should Jesse's revelations be taken as true?

Why do you believe him?

[Cronos]

Don't you see the sheer blasphemy in the following statements?

By Jesse Duplantis

God has the power to take life, but He can’t.
He’s got the power to do it, but He won’t. He’s bound; He can’t.
He says, “Death and life is in the power of” who’s tongue? Yours. You ready for this? You want something that’ll knock your lights off?
You choose when you live; you choose when you die. Death and life is in the power of your tongue, not God’s.

"Adam (not God) breathed life into animals"

“The very first thing on Jesus’ agenda was to get rid of poverty!

"With fierce prayers and determination to see my mother healed, I started talking to God. "What is going on here?! I'm praying! Dad's praying! Why isn't she healed? You cannot allow death to defeat me, God. You made a covenant with me through Jesus' blood! And that covenant says by His stripes we were healed! Where is that healing? If you break this covenant with me, you'll have to cease to be God! You must keep covenant with me. You must obey your Word!"

God tells Jesse: "You have Me in a hard place, Jesse. Someone has got to give in. Get yourselves together and tell Me what I am to do!" --> So God needs Jesse to tell Him what to do?

By benny hinn

God has 9 parts (tri-theistic).
A. God has a body, soul and spirit.
B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit.
C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit. (Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90)

"He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, 'The only way I can stop sin is by Me becoming it. I can't just stop it by letting it touch Me; I and it must become one.' Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan where He became sin!" (Benny Hinn, TBN, 12/1/90).

[Cronos]

What's weird, jla is that some take their childhood pscyhological problems to use as hatred for Mary.

Deep rooted problems

yet these same folks can say Benny Hinn teaches Christian thought? Now some may defend Benny saying He affirms all the cardinal doctrines of the faith AND that Christ came in the flesh. I'm not at all convinced he's a false prophet. Excessive in a list of ways, probably.

but Benny's own preaching shows that as a false statement

• Christians are little messiahs. Christians are little gods. (Benny Hinn, Praise-a-thon (TBN), recorded November 1990)
• God has 9 parts (tri-theistic).
  A. God has a body, soul and spirit.
  B. Jesus has a body, soul and spirit.
  C. Holy Spirit has a body, soul and spirit. (Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn broadcast, recorded 10/13/90)
• "What was the appearance of God the Father? Like that of a man...God has the likeness of fingers and hands and a face." (Good Morning Holy Spirit, (Benny Hinn, Word, 1991) p. 82)
• "What does God the Father look like? Although I've never seen Him, I believe - as with the Holy Spirit - He looks like Jesus looked on earth." (Benny Hinn, Good Morning Holy Spirit, (Word, 1991) p.87)
• "Had He (Jesus) not offered Himself through the Holy Ghost, He would not be accepted in the eyes of God the Father. Nor would He have endured the sufferings of the cross. Had He not presented Himself through the Holy Ghost, His blood would not have remained pure and spotless. And let me add this: Had the Holy Spirit not been with Jesus, He would have sinned." (Benny Hinn, Good Morning Holy Spirit, (Word, 1991) p.135)
• "I am a 'little messiah' walking the earth" (Benny Hinn, Praise-a-Thon" on TBN, November 6, 1990).
• "Are you ready for some real revelation knowledge....you are god" (Benny Hinn, "Our Position In Christ", tape # AO31190-1)
• "You are a little god on earth running around". (Benny Hinn, "Praise-a-thon" broadcast on TBN, November, 1990)
• " . . . the anointing is dependent upon my words. God will not move unless I say it. Why? because He has made us coworkers with Him. He set things up that way." (Benny Hinn, The Anointing. Nashville: Thomas Nelson. 1992. 82.)

I have no idea how folks can read the above and say about Benny that he " affirms all the cardinal doctrines of the faith AND that Christ came in the flesh. I'm not at all convinced he's a false prophet" -- to me it's obvious he IS a false prophet.

But the sheer inconsistencies in attacking Mary and yet believing in such conmen as shown above doesn't strike them

any idea what could be the reason, aruanan? May some deep-rooted problem with the pscyhe? abandonment or worse?

[Natural Law]

"When one takes an others "infallibility" as doctrine over reaped Scripture."

Because of the differences and disagreements over what is canon and what is not the Bible has been called an errant collection of inerrant works. No Scripture exists dictating which books and works are to be included so God, in his infinite wisdom, gave us a commission of men, directed by the Holy Spirit to infallibly capture preserve, defend and interpret the written Word.

Now you tell us that infallibility is too great a prerogative to be conferred on man even though God made man the organ of his revealed Word, is it impossible for Him to have made man its infallible guardian and interpreter. You also tell us that since the Scripture itself is inerrant and infallible that is sufficient.

How infallibly certain are you that an infallible Bible is sufficient for you or for everyone? Either you are infallibly certain that your interpretation of the Bible is correct, or you are not.

If you are infallibly certain, then you assert for yourself, and of course for every reader of Scripture, a personal infallibility which you deny the Pope, and which we claim only for him. You make every man his own Pope.

If you are not infallibly certain that you understand the true meaning of the whole Bible of what use to you is the objective infallibility of the Bible without an infallible interpreter?

[Titanites]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yes . . . according to Pope Titanites.

Resorting to making it personal, again. If that's all you have, I guess that's all we can expect. Well, that and assertions.

[Titanites]

enjoy your mental . . . fondlings I hope the bunnies are facilitating your furry meditations.

Hmmm. Sounds like some more of the psychos' linguistics.

[Titanites]

Don't you see the sheer blasphemy in the following statements?

Apparently, you are not qualified in the psycho's linguistics or you would understand.