Posted on 07/04/2011 10:00:42 PM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
Scripture is irrelevant...Who has the greatest logic and the best fairy tale???
Let it be 'pathetic' then. I can wait till the Judgement Day.
> that the first creation of God was a mess
Argumentum ad absurdum. The earth was an unfinished work on the first day. God’s creation was not completed on Day one or Day 2, but at the end of Day 6. It was on that 6th Day that God looked at all He had created and said that it was “very good”.
And it’s better than believing that Death came before Adam sinned. If that were true, why would we need Christ to defeat the Death that God’s Word says was introduced by Adam’s sin?
> and that dinosaurs were on the ark.
Why is that difficult to believe? They didn’t have to be full grown, hundreds of years old dinos. They were most likely much younger and much smaller.
> that Mastodons were so quickly frozen in an ice age
Also not at all hard to believe, perfectly congruent with what happened during and after the flood.
You must do yourself a favor and read “The Genesis Flood”, by Whitcomb and Morris.
So you’re saying that in each of the following verses He meant only partly good?
Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good:
Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1: 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
>>If that were true, why would we need Christ to defeat the Death that God’s Word says was introduced by Adam’s sin?<<
It’s rather simple really. Because the creation after destruction of the earth prior to Genesis 1:2 was a new start just as there will be after the world that we know is destroyed by fire.
>>They were most likely much younger and much smaller.<<
And all of paleontology, geology, and anthropology are completely wrong. Is that your contention?
>>Also not at all hard to believe, perfectly congruent with what happened during and after the flood.<<
There was an ice age during or after the flood? I’m sure we will soon unearth the writing about that event. Right? Of course we are told exactly how long the flood lasted and the account of that event was rather complete. Maybe they forgot about the ice age part. Right?
Is it any wonder why unbelievers see Christians as totally naïve and so many who grew up in the church begin to doubt after they realize that there is no way this earth is only 6-7000 years old?
Yes, of course.
The light was good.
Yes, gathering of the seas was good.
But it was not good for the man to be alone, right? Does that mean that God’s Creation was not good? Or was it just unfinished?
If you want to believe there was Death before Adam, I’m not going to be able to convince you otherwise. Somehow such a notion fits into your systematic theology. Have at it.
But you’re not going to convince me of your notions, or those of whoever is indoctrinating you, either.
1st John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
> There was an ice age during or after the flood?
There are a number of plausible, biblically congruent scenarios for the Mammoths being frozen virtually in mid-step.
Do some homework. Don’t take my word for it, or anybody else’s for that matter. Open your eyes and let the Spirit of God guide you.
None of us was there, so none of us can know for certain.
All we can know for certain is what is written in the Bible.
And none of the greatest translators, many of whom gave their lives for their efforts, agree with your notion that the earth “became” void and that there was Death before Adam. There are many who try to make the Bible fit into the atheistic “scientific” view who hold to this nonsense, but I prefer to believe the Word.
You accuse me of implying that God’s first day of creation was a “mess”. I can’t even begin to address how risible this is compared to someone who thinks God had a previous Creation that was an even bigger mess, and he had to destroy it and start over, like a child with leggos.
Please.
It is ADAM’S SIN that necessitates the reforming of this world. Not God’s mistakes.
Not without ignoring portions of scripture or adding ideas that aren’t there.
>>Do some homework. Don’t take my word for it, or anybody else’s for that matter. Open your eyes and let the Spirit of God guide you.<<
I’ve been studying this for over 40 years. You think I haven’t read and studied most everything I can get my hands on? You limit the greatness of God by boxing Him into just 6-7000 years and deny that also gives the gift of a scientific mind to Christians.
>>There are many who try to make the Bible fit into the atheistic “scientific” view who hold to this nonsense, but I prefer to believe the Word.
Not once has true science proven the Bible wrong. Many have tried and many have failed. Even the movie Ben Hur was written by someone who was trying to prove the Bible wrong. Once one realizes that there are perhaps billions of years between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 it’s a fascinating God glorifying study.
>>You accuse me of implying that God’s first day of creation was a “mess”. I can’t even begin to address how risible this is compared to someone who thinks God had a previous Creation that was an even bigger mess, and he had to destroy it and start over, like a child with leggos.<<
The world prior to Genesis 1:1 was destroyed because Satan had corrupted the inhabitants setting himself up as God just as he tried to do with Adam and Eve. That’s why he was cast out of heaven and became a fallen angel. This world will be reformed again after Satan is cast forever into the bottomless pit.
>>It is ADAM’S SIN that necessitates the reforming of this world. Not God’s mistakes.<<
And it was Satan’s deception that necessitated the destruction of the world before Genesis 1:1.
The following passage is talking about Lucifer (Satan).
Moreover the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared. Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee, so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till unrighteousness was found in thee. By the abundance of thy traffic they filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore have I cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I have cast thee to the ground; I have laid thee before kings, that they may behold thee. By the multitude of thine iniquities, in the unrighteousness of thy traffic, thou hast profaned thy sanctuaries; therefore have I brought forth a fire from the midst of thee; it hath devoured thee, and I have turned thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the peoples shall be astonished at thee: thou art become a terror, and thou shalt nevermore have any being. (Ezekiel 28.11—19)
When, since Genesis 1:2 was it true that he was in a state like what I have bolded above?
> When, since Genesis 1:2 was it true that he was in a
> state like what I have bolded above?
How much time passed between the last day of Creation and the fall of Adam and Eve?
Neither of us was there, and the account doesn’t say.
I’ts my belief that that Satan was jealous of Adam and Eve. It offended his pride that God had for them a very special place in Creation.
By my reckoning, Satan’s rebellion took place AFTER the creation of Adam and Eve. How long after? Don’t know. The Scriptures don’t say.
They also don’t say what I’m saying above, but at least I’m honest enough to say that it is my belief, and that I don’t care whether you believe it or not. I do not feel compelled to convince you.
If you want to believe that Death came before Adam sinned, have at it.
I know that I’m not going to convince you, and I can tell you right now that you are not going to convince me.
> And it was Satan’s deception that necessitated the
> destruction of the world before Genesis 1:1.
What world? Where does it say anything in the Scripture about any world before Genesis 1:1?
That’s your opinion, or that of some “teacher”.
If you’re happy believing that there was Death before Adam, then don’t let me rain on your parade.
But you are not going to convince me of that with wild conjecture.
Oh my! Have a good day.
Quite an interesting perspective. Thank you.
God does not use broken tools. God using evolution for anything other than an example of junk science to be avoided would be an example of him using a broken tool.
However, God does have a sense of humor, and I do hope he only laughs at those who waste so much time and energy on this.
It does not teach you how to live your life.
It does not teach you how to treat your fellow man.
We are NOT required to believe in a “Young Earth” or to totally reject Darwinism, in order to be Christians.
Without “failure” there can be no PERFECTION. In economics, it is a fact of life that systems that do not allow failure do not survive, and systems that do not allow experimentation, with the obvious risk of failure, will not do well.
Biology works, pretty much, the same way.
None of us will know precisely what happened until God DOES tell us, directly -— but it does not matter to your soul what you believe.
How would YOU explain cell structure and DNA to the Biblical masses?
The order of the various species is pretty close, in the Bible, to what Darwin claims.
Adam from dust or the old cells of other living things, comes about as close to DNA as the Bible could get, in that period of time. (Some of those dead cells, in the humus that God used, might have been from monkeys, huh?)
Again, this is a silly debate if you take it too seriously.
Interesting, perhaps, if you have an open mind —— but you do not, apparently.
It's mainly evolutionites and not Christians who require the explanation. RNA/DNA is an information code, and information codes do not just sort of happen, and the utter failure of the fruit fly experiments in the early decades of the previous century totally destroyed any sort of notion that macroevolution occurs in anything resembling the manner in which evolutionites claim it does.
It’s nice to hear that there is actually a Muslim who speaks out on the absurdity of Darwinism.
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