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Churches debate whether to marry gays
AP via SFGate ^ | 7/16/11 | RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer

Posted on 07/16/2011 10:15:51 AM PDT by SmithL

After same-sex marriage becomes legal here on July 24, gay priests with partners in the Episcopal Diocese of Long Island will head to the altar. They have to. Their bishop set a nine-month deadline for them to marry or stop living together.

Next door, meanwhile, the Episcopal bishop of New York says he also expects gay clergy in committed relationships to wed "in due course." Still, this longtime supporter of gay rights says churches in his diocese are off limits for gay weddings until he receives clearer liturgical guidance from the national denomination.

As more states legalize same-sex marriage, religious groups with ambiguous policies on homosexuality are divided over whether they should allow the ceremonies in local congregations. The decision is especially complex in the mainline Protestant denominations that have yet to fully resolve their disagreements over the Bible and homosexuality. Many have taken steps toward acceptance of gay ordination and same-gender couples without changing the official definition of marriage in church constitutions and canons. With the exception of the United Church of Christ, which approved gay marriage six years ago, none of the larger mainline churches has a national liturgy for same-sex weddings or even blessing ceremonies.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: elca; episcopal; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; pcusa; ucc; umc
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1 posted on 07/16/2011 10:15:59 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: lightman; rhema
The New England Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which includes four of the five states with gay marriage, issued a document stating that pastors can choose to solemnize same-sex marriages in individual churches that give their approval.
Solemnize the sin and mock the scriptures, it's the ELCA way.
2 posted on 07/16/2011 10:18:02 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

If GOD doesn’t judge this nation severely, He will have to apoligize to Sodom and Gomorrah.


3 posted on 07/16/2011 10:23:27 AM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: SmithL

Not much discussion about Catholics in there.


4 posted on 07/16/2011 10:23:50 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: SmithL
Next door, meanwhile, the Episcopal bishop of New York says he also expects gay clergy in committed relationships to wed “in due course.” Still, this longtime supporter of gay rights says churches in his diocese are off limits for gay weddings until he receives clearer liturgical guidance from the national denomination.

Wait, what? How hard is it to refer to the couple as “he” and “he” or “she” and “she” instead of “he” and “she”? Of course, the scripture readings could be problematic, especially the Old Testament ones. Brothers and sisters, this is going to be pure comedy.

5 posted on 07/16/2011 10:25:49 AM PDT by RichInOC ("ARMAGEDDON!!!" *BOOM!* "And the rodents' red glare...gerbils bursting in air...")
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To: SmithL

No matter that the whole moral system is screwed up by acquiescence of the clergy to the radical, homosexual agenda, there are still priorities to observe.


6 posted on 07/16/2011 10:27:03 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SmithL

Given the sickness of many churches if homosexuals waive enough money there will be millions of Sodomite church weddings. I have come to the conclusion that so called straights are sicker than the Sodomites. It is now becoming clearer why God destroyed Sodom, it was not only the homosexuals, it was also the “Tolerant” straights.


7 posted on 07/16/2011 10:30:34 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SmithL
Solemnize the sin and mock the scriptures, it's the ELCA way.

But you must be happy and gay while you're doing it.


8 posted on 07/16/2011 10:31:40 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: SmithL

Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church.


9 posted on 07/16/2011 10:32:01 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: SmithL
Gone are the days when a man of Faith would stand up to the government and call a spade a spade!

Tell the gov't, "marry" them at city hall but I will not allow my congregations Holy ground to be defiled.

I pray some do this, I wish they all would.

10 posted on 07/16/2011 10:32:08 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: SmithL
The decision is especially complex in the mainline Protestant denominations that have yet to fully resolve their disagreements over the Bible and homosexuality.

Why follow the Bible if one questions it?

THAT'S what the Bible is for all!

11 posted on 07/16/2011 10:32:35 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

...after all...


12 posted on 07/16/2011 10:34:01 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SmithL

Advice to all...

If the church you are in has to “debate” this issue...get out now.


13 posted on 07/16/2011 10:35:19 AM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

You hit that nail on the head.

Many of those tolerant straights have homo’s in the family and allow that to cloud their reason.

A homo in the familty is still a sick puppy, no matter how much you love them.

But they allow themselves to look at the outings of others and let their reason look for a pass for their relative.

The unintended consequences of Church’s accepting these marriages and the fact that they are accepting a sick practice in the name of equality is going to drive a lot of them out of business. Some fruit married to the Pastor meeting with the ladies of the Parish is not going to go over so big./


14 posted on 07/16/2011 10:38:42 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SmithL

There is live churches and dead churches. Live ones follow the word of god and the spirit visits these churches. Dead churches follow the word of man with a hit tip to the word of god. The spirit keeps an eye on these “churches” but rarely visits.


15 posted on 07/16/2011 10:43:35 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: jacknhoo

“A standing-room-only crowd, larger than Easter Sunday’s, packed the pews....”

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http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-11/news/29761860_1_lesbian-gay-pride-month-gay-rights-movement


16 posted on 07/16/2011 10:43:44 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: SmithL

If they believe that “gay marriage” is possible, why didn’t they require their clergy in “relationships” to marry before the state recognized “gay marriage”? Suddenly the state says it’s OK so know they require/allow it?! Man, I don’t know about anyone else, but I wouldn’t belong to a faith that takes its moral direction only when the state says it’s OK to do so...

Freegards


17 posted on 07/16/2011 10:50:20 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: cableguymn

The benefit to all this is that it’s now easier to distinguish between the light and the darkness. Persecution of true Christians always follows when this happens.


18 posted on 07/16/2011 10:55:23 AM PDT by aimhigh (True bitter clingers cling to their guns AND their bibles.)
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To: SmithL
"The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America formally abolished a celibacy requirement for gay and lesbian clergy more than a year ago, but still defines marriage as between one man and one woman."

How cute, they still say marriage is between a man and a woman but they'll marry whoever shows up anyway. They must think that joke will please enough of the membership to keep the bills paid.

19 posted on 07/16/2011 10:56:45 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: SmithL

many believers do not belong to churches anymore

for this reason.


20 posted on 07/16/2011 11:00:18 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

That is when I will stay home. The church needs people to fund it. I don’t need a church, all I need is God, the Bible and Jesus.

We just left a cold Spirit church for it’s failure to fulfill our spiritual needs.


21 posted on 07/16/2011 11:08:01 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS, NO RINOS in 2012!)
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To: Kakaze

As long as they are 501 C3’s they will do as government demands. Gov’t uses it to shut up the preachers who would speak out.


22 posted on 07/16/2011 11:10:02 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS, NO RINOS in 2012!)
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To: johniegrad
Not much discussion about Catholics in there.

Because gay priests can't marry. It's a brilliant cover for them.
23 posted on 07/16/2011 11:10:39 AM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: cableguymn

You hit the nail on the head. Which is why we are looking for a new church. The Holy Spirit knows where He is wanted or not.


24 posted on 07/16/2011 11:12:22 AM PDT by GailA (NO DEMOCRATS, NO RINOS in 2012!)
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To: SmithL

If they have to ask then they are not a church. They are a liberal social club.


25 posted on 07/16/2011 11:23:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: GailA

Separation of church and state.

The church lives by the bible and refuses to condone otherwise.

The state can do whatever it wants as they are all perverts anyway.


26 posted on 07/16/2011 11:26:16 AM PDT by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting and lying to me.)
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To: GailA

Gail!

Come on over to Faith Baptist in Bartlett, you will love it.

Maria


27 posted on 07/16/2011 11:49:37 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

28 posted on 07/16/2011 12:00:36 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: jacknhoo

Stop being so sanctimonious. The Catholic church has plenty of troubles of their own.


29 posted on 07/16/2011 12:18:09 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: GailA

Almost 20 years ago, we left the ELCA because we could see where it was headed. We’ve been in a Christ-centered LCMS ever since and it is exactly what we want.


30 posted on 07/16/2011 12:21:37 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SmithL
After same-sex marriage becomes legal here on July 24, gay priests with partners in the Episcopal Diocese of Long Island will head to the altar. They have to. Their bishop set a nine-month deadline for them to marry or stop living together

A pig is still a pig no matter how you dress it up and the same holds true for fags.

31 posted on 07/16/2011 12:34:35 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: SmithL

That IMO is the problem with Liturgical Christians and National Ecclesiastical Societies. .. when the leadership caves to corruption within its ranks the rest of the body is left in the lurch trying to decide if they should follow Scripture or if they should play follow the leader. Knowing neither the Scriptures nor the Power of God they put out their light and stagger about in darkness searching a wall to lean against.


32 posted on 07/16/2011 12:38:04 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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33 posted on 07/16/2011 12:41:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("I think you are the sicko! and I think you are an embarrassment to FR.")
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To: SmithL

Committing themselves to a life of sodomy...lovely. </extreme sarc off>


34 posted on 07/16/2011 12:41:57 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: SmithL
Their bishop set a nine-month deadline for them to marry or stop living together.

That's nothing. The elders at our church told a heterosexual couple to marry or stop living together.

35 posted on 07/16/2011 12:50:45 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
We’ve been in a Christ-centered LCMS ever since . . .

I'm glad we never had to make the choice of leaving one denomination and finding another. I've been a lifelong LCMS member.

36 posted on 07/16/2011 12:55:18 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: SmithL

If it needs a debate in the first place, those people are in serious need of a heavy dose of Bible study.


37 posted on 07/16/2011 1:20:39 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; jacknhoo
The Catholic church has plenty of troubles of their own


Sure we do. But we sure as heck will not be marrying same sex couples in our church. There will not be married gay priests either. There will not be so much as a discussion.

Heaven forbid a Catholic Freeper expresses thanks for the above facts.

Horrors.

38 posted on 07/16/2011 1:27:14 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: warsaw44

The Catholic church has not done a very good job of keeping homosexuals out of their clergy.


39 posted on 07/16/2011 1:36:01 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Arrowhead1952

We must remain ever vigilant because we KNOW there will be constant attacks on the LCMS. So far, so good but I know there are those who want to make the LCMS more worldly.


40 posted on 07/16/2011 1:38:04 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SmithL

I delivered to this headquarters in Garden City. N.Y. at the time. It might of Changed. But just to think this great Cathedral that is there was paid for by Conservative Christians to be built. I think from the mid 1800’s. Just a beautiful church. To think they must be rolling in there graves. What they were opposed to in life is now in there church.


41 posted on 07/16/2011 1:40:26 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace

http://www.flickr.com/photos/garyhymes/4230506278/


42 posted on 07/16/2011 1:53:04 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

and other denominations?

Why do you Catholic bash and not tell the whole truth?


43 posted on 07/16/2011 2:26:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: WorldviewDad

**If the church you are in has to “debate” this issue...get out now.**

and run, don’t walk


44 posted on 07/16/2011 2:28:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I am not Catholic bashing but you came across as sanctimonious. The CAtholic church has plenty of problems.


45 posted on 07/16/2011 2:29:03 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Venturer

Like Christ,

we hate the sin

but love the sinner.

How many times did Christ say, “Go, your sins are forgiven you and sin no more.”


46 posted on 07/16/2011 2:30:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SmithL

Essentially these “churches” are debating whether or not they are still Christian. The fact that they are debating is a strong indication that the question was fully answered some time ago.


47 posted on 07/16/2011 2:31:25 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: GailA

So you think you can do this on your own?

Isn’t that the mistake the atheists make?


48 posted on 07/16/2011 2:32:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

We admit that and we are working on them.

I am posting with a broken arm— if that is sanctimonious, I’m sorry that you cannot hear the truth.

Are there weeds in your wheatfield?


49 posted on 07/16/2011 2:37:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Charles Henrickson
Are there weeds in your wheatfield?

I'm not much for sermon titles but I may need to make an exception in a few weeks.

50 posted on 07/16/2011 2:52:17 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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