Skip to comments.Churches debate whether to marry gays
Posted on 07/16/2011 10:15:51 AM PDT by SmithL
After same-sex marriage becomes legal here on July 24, gay priests with partners in the Episcopal Diocese of Long Island will head to the altar. They have to. Their bishop set a nine-month deadline for them to marry or stop living together.
Next door, meanwhile, the Episcopal bishop of New York says he also expects gay clergy in committed relationships to wed "in due course." Still, this longtime supporter of gay rights says churches in his diocese are off limits for gay weddings until he receives clearer liturgical guidance from the national denomination.
As more states legalize same-sex marriage, religious groups with ambiguous policies on homosexuality are divided over whether they should allow the ceremonies in local congregations. The decision is especially complex in the mainline Protestant denominations that have yet to fully resolve their disagreements over the Bible and homosexuality. Many have taken steps toward acceptance of gay ordination and same-gender couples without changing the official definition of marriage in church constitutions and canons. With the exception of the United Church of Christ, which approved gay marriage six years ago, none of the larger mainline churches has a national liturgy for same-sex weddings or even blessing ceremonies.
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The New England Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which includes four of the five states with gay marriage, issued a document stating that pastors can choose to solemnize same-sex marriages in individual churches that give their approval.Solemnize the sin and mock the scriptures, it's the ELCA way.
If GOD doesn’t judge this nation severely, He will have to apoligize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Not much discussion about Catholics in there.
Wait, what? How hard is it to refer to the couple as “he” and “he” or “she” and “she” instead of “he” and “she”? Of course, the scripture readings could be problematic, especially the Old Testament ones. Brothers and sisters, this is going to be pure comedy.
No matter that the whole moral system is screwed up by acquiescence of the clergy to the radical, homosexual agenda, there are still priorities to observe.
Given the sickness of many churches if homosexuals waive enough money there will be millions of Sodomite church weddings. I have come to the conclusion that so called straights are sicker than the Sodomites. It is now becoming clearer why God destroyed Sodom, it was not only the homosexuals, it was also the “Tolerant” straights.
But you must be happy and gay while you're doing it.
Thank God for the Roman Catholic Church.
Tell the gov't, "marry" them at city hall but I will not allow my congregations Holy ground to be defiled.
I pray some do this, I wish they all would.
Why follow the Bible if one questions it?
THAT'S what the Bible is for all!
Advice to all...
If the church you are in has to “debate” this issue...get out now.
You hit that nail on the head.
Many of those tolerant straights have homo’s in the family and allow that to cloud their reason.
A homo in the familty is still a sick puppy, no matter how much you love them.
But they allow themselves to look at the outings of others and let their reason look for a pass for their relative.
The unintended consequences of Church’s accepting these marriages and the fact that they are accepting a sick practice in the name of equality is going to drive a lot of them out of business. Some fruit married to the Pastor meeting with the ladies of the Parish is not going to go over so big./
There is live churches and dead churches. Live ones follow the word of god and the spirit visits these churches. Dead churches follow the word of man with a hit tip to the word of god. The spirit keeps an eye on these “churches” but rarely visits.
“A standing-room-only crowd, larger than Easter Sundays, packed the pews....”
If they believe that gay marriage is possible, why didnt they require their clergy in relationships to marry before the state recognized gay marriage? Suddenly the state says its OK so know they require/allow it?! Man, I dont know about anyone else, but I wouldnt belong to a faith that takes its moral direction only when the state says its OK to do so...
The benefit to all this is that it’s now easier to distinguish between the light and the darkness. Persecution of true Christians always follows when this happens.
How cute, they still say marriage is between a man and a woman but they'll marry whoever shows up anyway. They must think that joke will please enough of the membership to keep the bills paid.
many believers do not belong to churches anymore
for this reason.
That is when I will stay home. The church needs people to fund it. I don’t need a church, all I need is God, the Bible and Jesus.
We just left a cold Spirit church for it’s failure to fulfill our spiritual needs.
As long as they are 501 C3’s they will do as government demands. Gov’t uses it to shut up the preachers who would speak out.
You hit the nail on the head. Which is why we are looking for a new church. The Holy Spirit knows where He is wanted or not.
If they have to ask then they are not a church. They are a liberal social club.
Separation of church and state.
The church lives by the bible and refuses to condone otherwise.
The state can do whatever it wants as they are all perverts anyway.
Come on over to Faith Baptist in Bartlett, you will love it.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Be rooted in Christ!
Stop being so sanctimonious. The Catholic church has plenty of troubles of their own.
Almost 20 years ago, we left the ELCA because we could see where it was headed. We’ve been in a Christ-centered LCMS ever since and it is exactly what we want.
A pig is still a pig no matter how you dress it up and the same holds true for fags.
That IMO is the problem with Liturgical Christians and National Ecclesiastical Societies. .. when the leadership caves to corruption within its ranks the rest of the body is left in the lurch trying to decide if they should follow Scripture or if they should play follow the leader. Knowing neither the Scriptures nor the Power of God they put out their light and stagger about in darkness searching a wall to lean against.
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Busy as bees destroying marriage, the family, and the freedoms of religion, speech and assocation.
Committing themselves to a life of sodomy...lovely. </extreme sarc off>
That's nothing. The elders at our church told a heterosexual couple to marry or stop living together.
I'm glad we never had to make the choice of leaving one denomination and finding another. I've been a lifelong LCMS member.
If it needs a debate in the first place, those people are in serious need of a heavy dose of Bible study.
Sure we do. But we sure as heck will not be marrying same sex couples in our church. There will not be married gay priests either. There will not be so much as a discussion.
Heaven forbid a Catholic Freeper expresses thanks for the above facts.
The Catholic church has not done a very good job of keeping homosexuals out of their clergy.
We must remain ever vigilant because we KNOW there will be constant attacks on the LCMS. So far, so good but I know there are those who want to make the LCMS more worldly.
I delivered to this headquarters in Garden City. N.Y. at the time. It might of Changed. But just to think this great Cathedral that is there was paid for by Conservative Christians to be built. I think from the mid 1800’s. Just a beautiful church. To think they must be rolling in there graves. What they were opposed to in life is now in there church.
and other denominations?
Why do you Catholic bash and not tell the whole truth?
**If the church you are in has to debate this issue...get out now.**
and run, don’t walk
I am not Catholic bashing but you came across as sanctimonious. The CAtholic church has plenty of problems.
we hate the sin
but love the sinner.
How many times did Christ say, “Go, your sins are forgiven you and sin no more.”
Essentially these “churches” are debating whether or not they are still Christian. The fact that they are debating is a strong indication that the question was fully answered some time ago.
So you think you can do this on your own?
Isn’t that the mistake the atheists make?
We admit that and we are working on them.
I am posting with a broken arm— if that is sanctimonious, I’m sorry that you cannot hear the truth.
Are there weeds in your wheatfield?
I'm not much for sermon titles but I may need to make an exception in a few weeks.