Posted on 08/15/2011 4:17:17 AM PDT by Colofornian
Last week, a Texas jury convicted Warren Jeffs, leader of the polygamist FLDS Church, of two counts of child sexual assault...For Americans who are increasingly interested in the religion of the two Mormons running for president, Jeffs' conviction raises what could appear to be difficult questions about modern Mormonism.
There is no formal connection between Jeffs' FLDS Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... From 1852 until 1890, however, the Mormon Church did publically teach and practice polygamy...
Given that history, many Americans ask themselves whether Jeffs' cocktail of religious authority, polygamy and child sex represents some dangerous essence concealed within the apparently wholesome veneer of mainstream Mormonism...
...Many modern Latter-day Saints fear that in Jeffs they see a living relic of their own religious past, a piece of perfectly preserved 19th-century Mormonism, like a frightening prehistoric monster encased in amber. They do not like what they see, but given the enormous importance of historical memory for Mormon identity this fact presents a problem.
Answering any of these questions requires a nuanced understanding of history. If the stories they tell about their own origins are true, the spiritual progenitors of the FLDS began their split with mainstream Mormonism in the 1880s at the height of the federal government's intense legal crusade against plural marriage.
Modern Mormons and modern polygamists have thus been pursuing divergent paths for more than a century, a much longer period than the founding generation of Mormonism that they jointly claim...
...19th-century Mormonism did contain some of the elements of Jeffs' story: plural marriage, prophets with loyal followers and geographic isolation. These elements, along with utopia building and a fiery millennialism, pushed 19th-century Mormonism in upon itself, creating barriers with the outside, "gentile" world and at times earning that world's suspicion and hostility...
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
“It’s a shame you are so filled with hate.”
-> Disagreement is not hate - that is a democrat tactic. This is a conservative website
-> You are mind-reading to imply you know the motives of others - that is a democrat tactic used to pass “hate-crime legislation”
-> You completely ignored the facts of the article and went to ad hominem attacks - that is a democrat tactic
-> YOU were judgmental of another based on your own imaginings. Why are you so filled with hate?
Why so Democrat?
Tell that to the Apostle Paul, who wrote the passage you quoted in I Corinthians 13
"And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about."
II Corinthians 11:12
“Whats the harm? It drives more people away from salvation then it saves.”
Oh. Citation please? Assuming you have one to prove your claim. You might also take a moment to tell the Apostle Paul. He would be amused.
“And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.” II Cor. 11:12
“So now I’m a false teacher eh.”
First true post you’ve made...
This is disgusting, Driftdiver. Presumptive inner judgments on your part -- like this one upon a former Mormon, Szonian.
Are you aware Szonian is still married to a Mormon and loves her dearly? And yet you superimpose "hate" upon all posters who disagree with you because you can't get over your judging other people and spreading false gossip & false slanders & engaging in mind-reading.
And yet you have to nerve to call yourself "Christian?"
Here Szonian loves his Mormon wife & extended family. Here, Szonian loves his Mormon contacts.
And somehow, you think you can come in here and judge complete strangers' inner motives.
Repent, driftdiver. Openly. Publicly. The same way Satan has used you to false accuse others!
So tell me, do you believe there is salvation in mormonISM?
Again, if there is not salvation in mormonISM, what's the harm of exposing the heresies and theological fallacies contained therein?
"Hate"? Hardly sport. You're writing more check than your account can cash. Try again.
It never ceases to amaze that disagreement somehow begins to equal hatred.
Especially amongst so-called conservatives. Using statist, alinskyite tactics in an attempt to shut down discussion.
Isolate and freeze your opponent with personal attacks. Get them off topic, force them to defend the spurious and libelous statements.
Oh really? Where is all your love passages drift?
It is ok to make false accusations against Christians but not Mormons - got it,check.
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Matthew 231. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
Mark 7:26-27
26. The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
27. "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
And St. Paul chimes in...
Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
I predict:
"You folks are all haters. I'm outta here!"
Have you ever read the Book of MORMON?
There are claims that the Fullness of the Gospel is to be found there; but no one seems to be able to actually point to it...
ANGER is not an argument.
WHAT!!??
Obama is posting here??
Well...
It used to work during recess!
“Mad Haters”, says Alice in Through the Looking Glass world of phake translations and foney histories.
She’s outta here if only she knew where “here” is. oh dear.
SOMEbody is channeling PD!
Are you going to man up and answer or just slither away?
wow what a response, so full of grace and love
You are a heretic and I have no time for garbage
The garbage came from your keyboard, hypocrite. I asked you a simple question and got called a “hater” for it.
Accused me of hatred, I called you on it and you slink away.
Gave you a chance to behave like an adult and this is the petulant, peurile, infantile reply I get.
Who’s the heretic and full of grace and love here? Sure ain’t you sport.
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