Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gay Choir Director At East Rutherford Parish Resigns After Priestís Comments
CBS ^ | September 15, 2011

Posted on 09/16/2011 1:18:00 PM PDT by NYer


Bob Russell

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (CBS 2) – He says he can’t take it anymore.

A gay choir director at a Catholic Church in New Jersey has quit his job because he says the priest is making his work environment hostile.

But does he have a case?

St. Joseph’s Roman Catholic Church in East Rutherford is where Bob Russell has been the choir director for decades. On Thursday, however, the 55-year-old was taking boxes into the parish to pack up his belongings.

“Felt that I was put into a position that I had to resign my job because of my sexuality,” Russell told CBS 2′s Christine Sloan.

Russell, who grew up Catholic, said his work environment has become hostile since a new priest took over and started strongly preaching against homosexuality.

“The sermon line was that marriage between two men is a lie,” Russell said.

The Catholic Church does not condone homosexuality, Sloan reported.

A spokesperson for the Archdiocese of Newark, which now runs the parish, said no one will comment because the church does not discuss personnel matters.

Russell said it wasn’t the sermon, but what the priest told him in private that made him realize it was time to go.

“When I spoke to Father Joseph and I told him that I was a gay man in a domestic-partner relationship, he told me that he would eventually like a children’s choir and that I wouldn’t be a good example to lead a children’s choir,” Russell said.

Legal analysts say the church has the right to preach its beliefs because freedom of religion is protected by the Constitution.

“I believe that nobody should have to hide what they believe in,” one woman told Sloan.

But parishioners at the church said they are baffled and could care less Russell is gay.

“I think he should have stayed,” Renato Pierantoni said. “I think he’s a great guy.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; choir; crymeariver; gay; gaymarriage; homonaziagenda; homonazism; homopsychoagenda; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualism; lackofcommonsense; rcc; religiousfreedom; religiousliberty; romancatholic; romancatholicism; samesexmarriage

1 posted on 09/16/2011 1:18:10 PM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Other parishioners said St. Joseph has traditionally been a liberal parish but is now becoming “ultraconservative” and is losing members because of that. It was run by the Franciscans, a Catholic religious order, for 99 years, but because of staffing shortages the order turned St. Joseph over to the Catholic archdiocese of Newark in July; Astarita was installed as pastor after the change.

Additional information at the following link.

Music Director Leaves Church Over Priest's Antigay Statements

2 posted on 09/16/2011 1:19:34 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Sounds like my kind of church. If you feel uncomfy at your church you move on. I’ve left churches before because of a new minister that we didn’t like for one reason or another. What’s the big deal ya sissy?


3 posted on 09/16/2011 1:23:53 PM PDT by albie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
If only there was some book of divinely-revealed writings that would bring a little clarity to this dispute or, failing that, a catechism.

This teaching must have really taken Mr. Russell by surprise - where could it have possibly come from?

4 posted on 09/16/2011 1:24:04 PM PDT by wideawake
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
“When I spoke to Father Joseph and I told him that I was a gay man in a domestic-partner relationship, he told me that he would eventually like a children’s choir and that I wouldn’t be a good example to lead a children’s choir,” Russell said.

Excellent!! The priest "gets it"!

5 posted on 09/16/2011 1:24:55 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Another guy who “called himself Catholic” for decades who was not?


6 posted on 09/16/2011 1:25:05 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Sounds like a better outcome than the way Donald Young “departed” the congregation of Rev Wright’s church. Has that murder been solved?


7 posted on 09/16/2011 1:27:20 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

He will have no problem with the Episcopal Church down the street.


8 posted on 09/16/2011 1:35:08 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

This man claims that he has to leave his job due to others making the workplace hostile? It is he and the rest of the homosexual agenda crowd who are making workplaces hostile! Their behavior is disgusting and immoral and they are trying to force others to accept it. They are the ones who are vile and are causing others hostilities! People need to fight back against these perverts.


9 posted on 09/16/2011 1:38:30 PM PDT by TheBigIf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
He cannot just be a Choir Director? No, this guy has to be a "Gay Choir Director".

What a sick bunch

10 posted on 09/16/2011 1:39:52 PM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lormand

it was the choir director what was gay not the choir itself.

only ‘gay’ choirs I know of hail from sf.


11 posted on 09/16/2011 1:42:12 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: NYer

He should have been fired as soon as they found out he was a pervert. Letting homosexuals around kids is what led to the priest abuse scandal.


12 posted on 09/16/2011 1:43:13 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Good for this priest. Finally, someone has a spine!


13 posted on 09/16/2011 1:49:20 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

A priest preaching Sacred Scripture is news? what times we live in...


14 posted on 09/16/2011 1:56:56 PM PDT by famousdayandyear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

What could possibly go wrong with a gay choir master?


15 posted on 09/16/2011 2:29:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
What could possibly go wrong with a gay choir master?

Absolutely nothing. The decision to leave was his.

16 posted on 09/16/2011 2:32:42 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Imagine that. A priest who actually preaches what the Church teaches.

As for the "gay" choir director, it's too bad that he put his sexual practices above all else. May God help him.
17 posted on 09/16/2011 2:34:23 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Antoninus
As for the "gay" choir director, it's too bad that he put his sexual practices above all else.

Exactly! He served the parish commendably for so many years but when it came to his sexuality, he chose to leave. FWIW, I know several gay catholics in partnered relationships who are drawn to worship on a regular basis. They are obviously aware of catholic teachings on the subject yet come all the same because a priest does not address the topic more directly in a homily. Once challenged, however, they run. If they are so aware of the church's position, what is it that keeps them coming, especially when they have no intention of changing their personal relationship. (this is a rhetorical question).

18 posted on 09/16/2011 2:53:12 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: NYer
But parishioners at the church said they are baffled and could care less Russell is gay.

And herein lies the problem

19 posted on 09/16/2011 3:06:40 PM PDT by RnMomof7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

“The sermon line was that marriage between two men is a lie,” Russell said.

DUH.. It is.


20 posted on 09/16/2011 3:23:55 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SECURE AMERICA

Indeed. If this choir director was mad at his priest, imagine what’d he think if he ever bothered to read this:

‘And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,
and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”’

Matthew 19:4-6


21 posted on 09/16/2011 3:28:29 PM PDT by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: NYer
>>But parishioners at the church said they are baffled and could care less Russell is gay.
“I think he should have stayed,” Renato Pierantoni said. “I think he’s a great guy.”<<

The guy was choir director for decades? And parishioners could care less? Oh my!

22 posted on 09/16/2011 3:48:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: albie

Why is this even in the news? Who went crying to the news media? And notice how the two people they quoted are all okay with the homo. What about the others?


23 posted on 09/16/2011 4:18:24 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ingtar

If he calls himself Catholic why was he still having sex with another man?


24 posted on 09/16/2011 4:20:06 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: icwhatudo

This church was probably run by a homo-friendly priest for some time prior to this. Glad this priest is cleaning things up.


25 posted on 09/16/2011 4:22:57 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Don't like the rules/by-laws/regulations etc. of a particular organization? Simple solution. DON'T JOIN!!!

God! Whining like this makes me disgusted. If you're gay then don't choose to join an organization that doesn't share the same belief in the first place! How hard can that be?

26 posted on 09/16/2011 5:02:23 PM PDT by tal hajus ("Thank you sir. May I have another?" GOP)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ingtar

Apparently the homo in the article did not equate acts of abomination with self-excommunication; was he too busy scoping choir boys instead of hearing the sermons?


27 posted on 09/16/2011 5:10:45 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: NYer
...They are obviously aware of catholic teachings on the subject yet come all the same because a priest does not address the topic more directly in a homily.

yeah.

Reminds me of when our parish had a missionary come to give a "mission" and he gave a sermon on the church's teachings about no sex outside of marriage. A lot of the laypeople were upset.

My son, who for various reasons was in a private Christian school, came out aghast and said: Mom, do you mean Catholics believe the same things that Brother Fetterman teaches?

Needless to say, this was in a diocese where the gay priest scandal had caused many to leave the church, and a parish where later, when one young priest ran away with the RCIA teacher, cause the pastor to shrug and quip: well at least he ran away with a woman...

(I should note this pastor was a good man, and worked hard to clean up the church after the previous gay pastor had caused a major scandal...he was the one who okayed the missionary to preach the sermon to wake up the sleeping sinners in the church)

28 posted on 09/16/2011 6:45:14 PM PDT by LadyDoc
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: tal hajus

“Don’t like the rules/by-laws/regulations etc. of a particular organization? Simple solution. DON’T JOIN!!!

“God! Whining like this makes me disgusted. If you’re gay then don’t choose to join an organization that doesn’t share the same belief in the first place! How hard can that be?”

Your opinion is way too logical for the current PC crowd. The problem is many folks lack that simple gift known as common sense.


29 posted on 09/16/2011 8:12:28 PM PDT by ReformationFan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Placemark.


30 posted on 09/16/2011 10:12:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer; Salvation
Sinéad O'Connor's Disturbing, Suicidal Tweets Get the Cops' Attention
31 posted on 09/17/2011 12:24:39 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Berlin_Freeper

That’s the first picture of her with hair that I have ever seen. Sad story, and a reflection of Sinead’s narcissism..


32 posted on 09/17/2011 6:31:07 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: CynicalBear

Most of the time when some schoolteacher, or someone who turns out homosexual comes out, most people could care less.

The story is, plenty of people who are homosexual disappoint plenty of us by walking out, because there are still good things, and opportunities to be a good person, that this person has, even if this person feels attracted to those of the same gender, or even if one practiced sodomy at one time. God help them, because frankly life is really hard when you separate yourself from him in heart as well as in person.


33 posted on 09/17/2011 12:54:17 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Morpheus2009
>>Most of the time when some schoolteacher, or someone who turns out homosexual comes out, most people could care less.<<

No accounting for the depravity of the general population I guess. I certainly am not one “who could care less”. I don’t intend to be anywhere resembling Sodom and Gamorah.

>>or even if one practiced sodomy at one time.<<

The guy this article is about is not one of the “at one time” crowd. He is an active sodomite.

34 posted on 09/17/2011 12:59:43 PM PDT by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: CynicalBear

I don’t think I disagree with you about sodomy, the act is disgusting and degrading to those involved actively in it. Numerous health problems are heavily overrepresented among practicing male homosexuals, lesbians seem to have issues doing what is “manly” but in reality isn’t good for even men to be doing.

The whole point I was making was the fact that the people didn’t victimize him in this situation. From the details alone, he did plenty of making himself victimized here, for the glory of liberalism, and to defame the name of Christ. We can argue for days about what church is right, but similar things have happened in the protestant Churches where some pastor comes out and walks out fast.

What I am saying is that in my personal experience, loads of people who come out about being sodomites are thin-skinned, and cry to their leftist big brothers for help and praise. It’s undemocratic, it’s immature, and I dislike it just as much as you do, if not more.


35 posted on 09/17/2011 1:13:19 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
"What could possibly go wrong with a gay choir master?"

The biggest problem with having a gay choir master in your church is that they keep trying to put the organ in their mouth.

36 posted on 09/17/2011 1:45:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: NYer

It’s so much a “hostile work environment” that Mr. Russell is not resigning until 9/30/11 even though the original comments were made by the pastor in July 2011. Give me a break, Mr. Russell, who are you trying to kid? Once you retained the lawyer it suddenly became a “hostile work situation”. Even though I enjoyed you leading the choir at St. Joseph’s, you are wrong and Fr. Joe is right!! Adios Amigo (a)??


37 posted on 09/22/2011 10:02:14 PM PDT by IrishCatholic1945
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

A fundamental problem with many people who attend church happens whenever they refuse to change their thinking to follow the Will of God and instead remain in their thinking independent of Him.

We all are scarred in our thinking before we come to Him, but the Cristian life is not simply a cultural environment. It is a spiritual walk, which begins with our thinking focused upon Jesus Christ, thinking through faith in Him.

Homosexuality is not of Him, nor is any preoccupation with such lust or culture. Homosexuality is hostile to the thinking of God, who rejects placing ourselves before God.


38 posted on 09/22/2011 10:34:00 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson