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Drowning in Apostasy
BibleProphecyBlog.com ^ | 9/17/2011 | Dr. Thomas Ice

Posted on 09/17/2011 10:09:58 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: RnMomof7
There isn't going to be any rapture. There is the Judgement for all men.

The judgment of God is the final act ...indeed there is a judgement of ALL men ...that includes Mary ... who is already in heaven ...so a rapture does not eliminate that .

A rapture simply does not exist except in fantasies, and certainly not in Christian ones. Unless you follow the traditions of men, which most antiCatholics proclaim, yet practice.

Hint: Who came up with this unScriptural idea?

21 posted on 09/17/2011 1:34:21 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Iscool
To deny the Trinity is to deny God...

Iscool, you might find the words of TN wise.

22 posted on 09/17/2011 1:36:40 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: CynicalBear
That surely is true today. It’s becoming more and more difficult to find a truly Biblicaly base church today.

To the contrary. It's pretty easy to find one taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and commissioned by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Unless you scour the ranks of Protestant churches, that is...

23 posted on 09/17/2011 1:38:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Not necessarily. Between the Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 and 39 wars, Islam will be absolutely devastated as a credible, viable "religion".

Last Sunday I spotted J. R. Church's Hidden Prophecies in the Psalms in the church library. Being interested in the history of the current dispensational interpretation, I consulted him on Psalm 83. Church, at least in this edition, equated that conflict with both Ezekiel 38-9 and Armageddon.

(Others reading this might profit from reading Har Magedon: The End of the Millenium.)

24 posted on 09/17/2011 1:49:57 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Whereever Darby and Scofield are preached, a veil lies over their minds.")
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To: MarkBsnr

Catholocism would be one of the worst of choices. I certainly don’t want to go back under the law as the Catholics do. Their Old Testament Priests, and Bishops, long robes and “sitting in the best seats”. Their rituals and rules aren’t what Christ died for. The veil was rent long ago my good man. Our only High Priest is Christ and access to Him is direct.


25 posted on 09/17/2011 1:50:43 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Lee N. Field
I'd have to read the book myself to verify that Church actually equated the Psalm 83 war with Ezekiel 38/39 and Armageddon.

The link you gave goes to the Amazon site where the book can be purchased and gives no details of what the book actually says.

26 posted on 09/17/2011 1:55:58 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking...." (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: MarkBsnr
A rapture simply does not exist except in fantasies, and certainly not in Christian ones. Unless you follow the traditions of men, which most antiCatholics proclaim, yet practice.

Hint: Who came up with this unScriptural idea?

The rapture, as the catching up of the church to be with the returning Christ in the air, certainly is scriptural.

The Scofield/LaHaye/Lindsay/Left Behind rapture, a secret transporter beam outta here on the nick of capital T Tribulation, involves a lot of creative interpretation, squinting just right, etc. Square theological peg, round scriptural hole. If one can make that work, one can make anything work.

(As an aside, having run temporarily through serious stuff, I'm finally reading the first Left Behind novel. The prose ranges from pedestrian to dire. I read the first page and thought "It was a dark and stormy night..." )

27 posted on 09/17/2011 2:02:53 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Whereever Darby and Scofield are preached, a veil lies over their minds.")
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To: CynicalBear
Catholocism would be one of the worst of choices. I certainly don’t want to go back under the law as the Catholics do. Their Old Testament Priests, and Bishops, long robes and “sitting in the best seats”. Their rituals and rules aren’t what Christ died for. The veil was rent long ago my good man. Our only High Priest is Christ and access to Him is direct.

No, no, that's fine. You may either follow the institution that the Lord Jesus Christ created and the Holy Spirit commissioned at Pentecost or you may spurn it. Your choice. In spite of the rationalizations that antiCatholic spew, there really is only one choice: you either go with what Christ has given us or else you do not.

28 posted on 09/17/2011 2:03:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: RnMomof7
"The judgment of God is the final act ...indeed there is a judgement of ALL men ...that includes Mary..."

Mary was judged and pronounced Kachiratomene.

29 posted on 09/17/2011 2:06:25 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Lee N. Field
The rapture, as the catching up of the church to be with the returning Christ in the air, certainly is scriptural.

My contention would be that it can tortured out of Scripture, wrung out and the molecules reassembled to provide support. I would question as to why such as thing did not exist in anyone's belief until Scofield magically happened on this blessed idea.

30 posted on 09/17/2011 2:08:15 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Lee N. Field
The rapture, as the catching up of the church to be with the returning Christ in the air, certainly is scriptural.

My contention would be that it can tortured out of Scripture, wrung out and the molecules reassembled to provide support. I would question as to why such as thing did not exist in anyone's belief until Scofield magically happened on this blessed idea.

31 posted on 09/17/2011 2:08:15 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The link you gave goes to the Amazon site where the book can be purchased and gives no details of what the book actually says.

As of this instant, used copies can be had from Amazon alternate vendors for $.01, plus Amazon's usual $3.99 shipping.

The cover style of the edition I saw made me think it dated from the '70s or '80s.

32 posted on 09/17/2011 2:08:15 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Whereever Darby and Scofield are preached, a veil lies over their minds.")
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Christ said TIME would be shortened. This 7 year trib business is part of the Apostasy. This ‘time’ is likened to a woman in travail... labor, and Labor pains do not take 7 years. Everything Christ said that would take place in Matt 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, the seal, trumps, and vials of Revelation, will happen in quick time, days/months not years.
33 posted on 09/17/2011 2:08:59 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I believe the closest reference to the Catholic Church is found in Revelation and the admonition is to “come out of her”.


34 posted on 09/17/2011 2:11:17 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Just mythoughts
Sorry, not buying.

Seven years is seven years and that's how long the Tribulation will last.

Jesus will shorten the length of the days to save lives, but the Tribulation itself will last for seven years.

35 posted on 09/17/2011 2:12:32 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking...." (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: CynicalBear
I believe the closest reference to the Catholic Church is found in Revelation and the admonition is to “come out of her”.

Such is your belief. We have Scripture; what do you have? The god in the mirror?

36 posted on 09/17/2011 2:13:38 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Sorry, not buying. Seven years is seven years and that's how long the Tribulation will last. Jesus will shorten the length of the days to save lives, but the Tribulation itself will last for seven years.

It is NOT for sale it is what Christ said would be. Remember the ten virgins and half had to go BUY some 'oil'. Salvation is offered to those who will in this flesh age. Christ is returning for a harvest with a double edge sword not to offer tickets for a trip out of here.

37 posted on 09/17/2011 2:16:13 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I would question as to why such as thing did not exist in anyone's belief until Scofield magically happened on this blessed idea.

Exactly. You don't find it in the text, unless you come to the text expecting to find it.

Back in 2005, Calvin Seminary in Grand Rapids had a conference on preaching apocalyptic texts. I'm not sure the audio is still there (see here, scroll down to June 2005), but it's worth looking up, Gordon Fee's and G. K. Beale's especially. (The audio links are to a Realaudio stream, not sure how that's going to work now.)

38 posted on 09/17/2011 2:19:03 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Whereever Darby and Scofield are preached, a veil lies over their minds.")
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To: MarkBsnr
>> We have Scripture<<

LOL And the bodily assumption is in which passage from scripture exactly?

39 posted on 09/17/2011 2:19:37 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Just mythoughts
Well, God knows your heart, but you now have your denial of Scripture out there for the entire world to see.

The article is right on the money. This world is drowning in apostasy and the blatant denial of Scripture by self-confessed "Christians" is inarguable proof of the inerrancy of Scripture.

Apostasy is one of the last signs before the removal of the Church and the beginning of the Tribulation. Thank you for giving those of us who know Christ as Savior stronger hope that our Redeemer is coming for us soon.

40 posted on 09/17/2011 2:22:23 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking...." (2 Peter 3:3))
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