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Good News: Jesus Is Not Nice
Christianity Today ^ | 09/29/2011 | Mark Galli

Posted on 09/29/2011 5:46:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

If one makes a statement by the type of entrance one makes, then God made quite a statement with Jesus.

Jesus was born, says the Bible, with a virginal conception—decidedly not in accord with the normal order of things. Then there was a host of angels who announced the birth to some startled shepherds with what will turn out to be ironic words: "Peace on earth!" For the first memorable political act after the birth of Immanuel—"God with us"—is the mass murder of infants preceded by the exile of the holy family. The first sign of God's coming leads to disruption and confusion.

Even in his childhood, Jesus signaled that he was about something startling. He was only 12 when he disobeyed his parents, staying behind in Jerusalem to teach in the temple after they had started home. He flouted one of the Ten Commandments—"Honor your father and your mother"—apparently believing that the fifth commandment was not made for man, but man for the fifth commandment. His parents are naturally hurt at his disrespect: "Son, why have you treated us so?" But Jesus just rebukes them for not recognizing his mission (Luke 2:41–49). Jesus was not a good, well-behaved little boy.

Things get really interesting when Jesus begins his ministry some 18 years later. His opening sermon—the one in which he announces his mission of liberation—sets the tone. He's in Nazareth, his home town. He has an opportunity to win the favor of family and friends, so they can send him off on his ministry with good will.

Instead, he picks the occasion to shame them for their parochialism. He notes that God is just as interested in freely sharing his mercy with Gentiles as he is with his chosen people.

(Excerpt) Read more at christianitytoday.com ...


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: jesus; jesuschrist; nice

1 posted on 09/29/2011 5:46:14 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

As evil and bad as things and many people are in the world today, I am ready for him to return and set things straight. He will do it with a rod of iron.

I hope I am worthy to be in his Kingdom, but if not, it will be good for all the evil to be brought to a close.

Why can’t everyone treat each other decently and with respect?


2 posted on 09/29/2011 5:58:08 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

The last paragraph:

“Jesus refuses to be put in a religious box. He’s not a nice Savior, whose goal is to make us feel better about ourselves and become well-adjusted, productive members of society. All that is well and good, and it is part of our lot in life. But this is not the mission of Jesus. He’s not interested in nice, well-adjusted people, but mostly in people who forgive and love. And sometimes he has to bring a little chaos into our lives to help us become the people he’s called us to be.”

Beautiful. I needed to read that today. Thanx!


3 posted on 09/29/2011 5:59:35 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly ("Hit 'em again, Todd!!")
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To: FreeAtlanta
I hope I am worthy to be in his Kingdom, but if not, it will be good for all the evil to be brought to a close.

I know I am not worthy. Fortunately, Christ has paid for my shortcomings with His blood.

4 posted on 09/29/2011 6:02:08 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

And he has a strict immigration policy.

There’s even a fence.

A guy named Pete mans the gate!


5 posted on 09/29/2011 6:04:08 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Democrats are violent. Prisons are overflowing with democrats convicted of violent crimes.)
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To: SeekAndFind
you don't have to be nice, ya just have to be good...
6 posted on 09/29/2011 6:09:32 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I hear ya brother, thank God for Christ or my pathetic righteousness would be worth nothing..In God we trust...
It seems that man has forgot that the life in everything is Christ, we can’t hate each other and love God, its a reality we are headed for in God’s vision..with the supernatural reality we were created for..the coolest thing about seeing God in all is that we are forced to see Him in ourselves..as His children do we not possess the same attributes as our Father..ie our words create when mixed in faith..we are just too young to see the reaction yet..the world is collapsing so God can show us how to live, we can’t be barbaric muslims and we can’t concrete the earth and expect there to be a good outcome..we need God’s guidance..come Lord..


7 posted on 09/29/2011 6:10:41 PM PDT by aces
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To: FreeAtlanta

I hear ya brother, thank God for Christ or my pathetic righteousness would be worth nothing..In God we trust...
It seems that man has forgot that the life in everything is Christ, we can’t hate each other and love God, its a reality we are headed for in God’s vision..with the supernatural reality we were created for..the coolest thing about seeing God in all is that we are forced to see Him in ourselves..as His children do we not possess the same attributes as our Father..ie our words create when mixed in faith..we are just too young to see the reaction yet..the world is collapsing so God can show us how to live, we can’t be barbaric muslims and we can’t concrete the earth and expect there to be a good outcome..we need God’s guidance..come Lord..


8 posted on 09/29/2011 6:10:49 PM PDT by aces
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To: NoLibZone

In other words, He is not a tame lion.


9 posted on 09/29/2011 6:17:05 PM PDT by Jornandes
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To: aces

I wrote a piece on FR a few years ago about Jesus’ supposed nonviolence. In it I declared that Jesus was profoundly violent, even to the point of demanding that those who despised Him commit murder. There was considerable opposition to my comments. It is still posted on my profile page.


10 posted on 09/29/2011 6:17:30 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (O assumes the trappings of the presidency, not its mantle. He is not presidential.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I understand the point the writer is trying to convey but I disagree with much of what his conclusions are about God.

(1)Jesus is not nice. Yes He is without a doubt.

(2)He encouraged His disciples to break the Sabbath. No, He did not. They broke man made interpretations of the Sabbath.

(3) God brings chaos. No, God brings order which may cause a commotion when chaos is considered "normal".

Also the writer did not capitalize God or the pronouns associated with Him.

11 posted on 09/29/2011 6:22:06 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Exercise your right to arm bears.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
"I hope I am worthy to be in his Kingdom, but if not, it will be good for all the evil to be brought to a close."

Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Can any one of us present ourselves faultless?

Be not afraid,only believe.

Fear not little flock,it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

12 posted on 09/29/2011 6:33:14 PM PDT by mitch5501 (My guitar wants to kill your momma!)
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To: SeekAndFind
He flouted one of the Ten Commandments—"Honor your father and your mother" No He didn't. Jesus did not "flout" any law. He was sinless. This is a very subversive article.
13 posted on 09/29/2011 6:38:21 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Louis Foxwell

I think the fact that a divine being would willingly come to this dead world to suffer a terrible death for us proves Jesus is nice. However, as King of Heaven he wears the crown.
That makes Him the “guy” who decides..Well the domain of His thought is Universal and death is an illusion to God, who knows he is spirit and not flesh..so people dying in the end times is for their own good, a lesson learned...we must believe and seek him with all our beings, so we are not His enemy....


14 posted on 09/29/2011 6:39:54 PM PDT by aces
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To: Sans-Culotte

I know at this point, there won;t be heaven for me BUT as long as Obama and the rest of the liberals burn in hell with me, I will take it. It will take me an eternity to kick their asses in hell and I will enjoy it.


15 posted on 09/29/2011 6:42:36 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: SeekAndFind

I must admit that I haven’t read anything from Christianity Today for many years.

I thought it was a most thought-provoking article. When I was a new convert many years ago, I and my cohorts were all about challenging the status quo. As time progressed, we became the status quo we had dared to shake.

Now, I avoid things that take me out of my own universe (physical comfort zone); although I enjoy the sparring here at FR as opposed to a strictly evangelical mutual admiration society.

I am a personal failure on most of the fronts mentioned, yet God has never forsaken me since I first trusted and believed in His Son.

Thanks for posting this!


16 posted on 09/29/2011 6:43:15 PM PDT by One Name
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To: SeekAndFind

This article is a prime example of why, although often tempted to subscribe to CT, I never pulled the trigger. While some think CT is on the “cutting edge” of Christian thought; I view things like this article as irreverent drivel, and ANYTHING BUT edifying in any way.


17 posted on 09/29/2011 7:04:42 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone who thinks Jesus was just a long-haired proto-hippie preaching love and forgiveness has never read John’s gospel.


18 posted on 09/29/2011 7:06:37 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Go Steelers (what's the baseball team called again?))
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To: SeekAndFind
***He notes that God is just as interested in freely sharing his mercy with Gentiles as he is with his chosen people.***

Mat 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL.

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am NOT SENT but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL.

And his final commission, Jerusalem, then Judea, then Samaria, then to the udder most parts of the world.

19 posted on 09/29/2011 7:34:08 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

the udder most parts of the world.

....uttermost parts of the world.


20 posted on 09/29/2011 7:35:23 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: max americana

“I know at this point, there won;t be heaven for me”

How can anyone know that?


21 posted on 09/29/2011 7:53:57 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: max americana
I know at this point, there won;t be heaven for me BUT as long as Obama and the rest of the liberals burn in hell with me, I will take it. It will take me an eternity to kick their asses in hell and I will enjoy it.

Gee, I hate to break this to you, but you aren't going to be having any fun doing anything in Hell. There will be no enjoyment nor anyone being able to punish someone else. Another mistake some make is in thinking Satan will be the "boss" in Hell and that they need to get on "his" side while on earth so that they will be with the "in" group in Hell forever. Doesn't work that way. Satan will be the one tormented the most. Nobody will be having fun. Believe me.

But since we're on the subject. Why do you say there will "be no heaven for me"? Is it because you think only good people go to heaven? Is it because you don't think you are or can be good enough to go there? I'm just curious and not trying to "preach" to you. So tell me, why "at this point" is there no heaven for you?

22 posted on 09/29/2011 8:00:44 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: boatbums
Believe me.

I'd believe you if I believed you have first hand knowledge, believer!

23 posted on 09/29/2011 8:03:54 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hell is other people.

Perhaps this planet is another planet’s hell.

Two well worn quotes from dead famous people.

In any case, hell can’t be worse than this here now.


24 posted on 09/29/2011 8:06:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: boatbums

>Nobody will be having fun. Believe me.<

I will because I hate liberals and I see Obama heading towards heaven (which should never happen but if it does), I will drag him down to where I will be.


25 posted on 09/29/2011 8:07:43 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

hehe.....Thanks for the mammaries!


26 posted on 09/29/2011 8:17:32 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Revolting cat!
I'd believe you if I believed you have first hand knowledge, believer!

"First hand knowledge"? What would qualify as "first hand" to you? Will you only believe if Jesus Christ appeared to you right now? Will you only believe if someone you know came back from the dead and told you? Have you thought it through about how much evidence is enough so that you have no other choice BUT to believe? Eternity is a serious issue and as long as you are on this side of it, you can influence what happens to you on the other side. Once over there, it's a done deal. It's no a joking matter.

27 posted on 09/29/2011 8:38:28 PM PDT by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: max americana
I know at this point, there won;t be heaven for me

I don't know anything about you, the real person behind the screentag, but I do know that Our God is merciful.

There is no point at which He gives up on us until our dying breath.

28 posted on 09/30/2011 1:01:33 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: DManA
Jesus did not "flout" any law. He was sinless. This is a very subversive article.

I agree. Jesus did not rebuke them, He just pointed out facts to them.

Also, a big fuss is made over the wedding at Cana where Jesus says to Mary. Now the problem is that in English we've removed the nuances that still exist in other languages

For instance John 2:4 in Polish is "Czy to moja lub Twoja sprawa, Niewiasto?" --> note "Niewiasto" while the normal word for woman is "kobieta" and in German the word used is "Weib" while the normal word for woman is Frau.

He uses a more elegant form -- a better translation would be "Lady" in the elegant sense.

Christ kept the law to the letter.

29 posted on 09/30/2011 1:09:06 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: DManA
I disagree with this assertion from the article:

He was only 12 when He disobeyed his parents, staying behind in Jerusalem to teach in the temple after they had started home.

He didn't disobey His parents by staying behind. They thought He was with relatives, in the caravan. The fact that they frantically headed back to Jerusalem when they discovered that He was not with them, and then searched for Him for three days, shows that they had no clue where He was. He probably was totally surprised that they were so worried about Him, and that they didn't know what He was doing. He was a 12 year old boy, wanting to be independent and to get on with His work, and yet still devoted to His parents.

30 posted on 09/30/2011 1:29:43 AM PDT by giotto
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To: giotto; Cronos

It’s not a trivial matter. The guy literally and blatantly accused Jesus of breaking the law - sinning. It’s as bad as disputing the Virgin Birth.


31 posted on 09/30/2011 5:27:59 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

I agree. He did not flout the law, He demonstrated what it truly meant.


32 posted on 09/30/2011 5:41:31 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org Have mustard seed: will use it. To control the border, Patrol the border!)
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To: SeekAndFind
He was only 12 when he disobeyed his parents, staying behind in Jerusalem to teach in the temple after they had started home.

So now we are teaching the Jesus sinned against His parents?

No doubt the magazine is quite faithful to its title ... "Christianity Today"

33 posted on 09/30/2011 6:14:24 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Tucker39

I liked this paragraph:

“We’re tempted to speculate which circumstances are merely evil, that God simply responds to, and which are a holy rattling. But that information is not usually granted us. What news has been given is good: God is working in, with, and under the chaos to shape us into the image of Christ.”


34 posted on 09/30/2011 6:19:48 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: hocndoc

*** He encouraged his disciples to break the Sabbath. ***

WRONG! He stripped off the human invented encrustations that were ruining the true intent of God’s institution.

**** He questioned customs of fasting ****

WRONG! He merely said it was not appropriate to fast while Emanuel was on Earth. He said his apostles would take it up again when he left.

**** He questioned customs of almsgiving, and prayer.****

That is just bizarre? What?!?!


35 posted on 09/30/2011 6:28:02 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Persevero

Refuse to accept Jesus as your Savior. You’ll know.


36 posted on 09/30/2011 6:41:52 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Revolting cat!

IF you go to Hell, then this world will have been your time in heaven.

IF you go to Heaven, then this world will be the only hell you will know.


37 posted on 09/30/2011 6:43:25 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: aces; BipolarBob

I don’t think the author means “he’s not nice” in the way you think he does.

I was raised in Christianity, and I fell for Jesus as the image of a saintly hippie. Saintly hippies don’t know anything, aren’t relevant and are more than a little annoying.

When I went back and re-read the Gospels as an adult, I saw much of what this author is saying. Jesus is not a wimp, nor a doormat. He also is extremely wise and doesn’t put with any crap from naysayers.

I had this failed assumption that Jesus was like a well-meaning politician. A nice guy with great ideas, but He would never measure up to the forces rallied against those ideas—He just wasn’t tough enough. I know I couldn’t have been alone in those thoughts, there have to be others, and this article is trying to smack ‘em upside their heads.


38 posted on 09/30/2011 7:04:03 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Cronos
For instance John 2:4 in Polish is "Czy to moja lub Twoja sprawa, Niewiasto?"

He uses a more elegant form -- a better translation would be "Lady" in the elegant sense.

My guess would be that the Polish translation is wrong...There are about 230 English translations of the text and they all say 'woman'...Not Lady...

39 posted on 09/30/2011 7:14:44 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Future Snake Eater

Words still have meanings. Jesus is the Man that God wants us all to be. The image Christianity has portrayed is a crying shame. He most likely had short hair. Darker than Caucasians but not black. He was very gentle but unwavering strong in the presence of sin and denounced it. He used the logic in parables over patronization or flattery. It is only through reading and re-reading (with prayer) that one can sense the depth of His character. He never said too much but what He said was enough.


40 posted on 09/30/2011 9:05:43 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Exercise your right to arm bears.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I hope I am worthy to be in his Kingdom

None of us are worthy. The only thing that makes us fit for the Kingdom is the righteousness of Christ with which we have been robed when we place our faith in Him.

41 posted on 09/30/2011 9:16:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: RoadGumby

“Refuse to accept Jesus as your Savior. You’ll know.”

I hear you but his life is not over yet. Some who denied Christ initially went on to become great and faithful Christians. Peter is a good example.


42 posted on 09/30/2011 10:51:07 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just found this article by googling "Jesus was not nice". While I agree that Jesus was not nice, I disagree with many of the things stated in this article. "He was only 12 when he disobeyed his parents". The Bible does not say he disobeyed his parents. That would be a sin. What he did was surprise them, which is most assuredly not the same thing.

I could have made the same point as this article without all of the factual errors.

Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

43 posted on 02/20/2012 7:14:32 PM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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