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No Same-Sex Weddings at West Point's Catholic Chapel, Says Military Archdiocese
CNS News ^ | 10/3/11 | Pete Winn

Posted on 10/04/2011 9:34:42 AM PDT by marshmallow

(CNSNews.com) – Will same-sex marriage ceremonies be allowed at the Catholic Chapel of the Most Holy Trinity at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point?

“The answer is ‘no,’” said Taylor Henry, director of public affairs and media relations for the Catholic Archdiocese for the Military Services, USA, and spokesman for Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who certifies all Catholic chaplains for the armed services.

“Holy Trinity is an actual Catholic parish, unlike the non-denominational chapels that are found on other military installations, and the only services held there are Catholic services. The Catholic Church does not perform the sacrament of matrimony for same-sex couples,” he said.

What about other Catholic chapels on other military bases?

“What non-Catholic chaplains do in nondenominational chapels on U.S. military grounds around the world will be up to the military, but no Catholic chaplain is authorized to perform a same-sex marriage under any circumstances,” Henry added.

Archbishop Broglio, meanwhile, has denounced directives issued last week by Under Secretary of Defense Clifford Stanley and DoD General Counsel Jeh Johnson clearing military chaplains to perform same-sex weddings in military chapels.

“The Pentagon's new policy, as outlined in these two memos, appears to ignore the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which was signed into law 15 years ago and remains in effect,” Broglio said in a statement released last week.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; deathofthemilitary; rcc; romancatholic

1 posted on 10/04/2011 9:34:49 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Of course there will be gay weddings, but after lawsuits, or just the threat of them, there will be no weddings, or all comers will have to be acommodated.


2 posted on 10/04/2011 9:41:08 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: marshmallow

Is West Point a military installation? I don’t think so.

But if it is... then Catholic Chapel or not... If the Military says “You will bless the union of two pipe smoking fags”, then guess what???

That church will do it or be out on their keisters...

I’ve been predicting for some time now - and I see it coming to a head soon - Military Chaplains will be FORCED to accept and adhere to queers in the military and SHUT UP about their Biblical convictions or face a Court Martial.


3 posted on 10/04/2011 9:43:39 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: marshmallow

I agree with the archbishop to the extent that that building continues to be used as a chapel. If it is owned by the military, then it could always be redisignated. That would be a sinister, in-your-face act by the government, so it’s not likely to happen.


4 posted on 10/04/2011 9:48:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: runninglips

“Of course there will be gay weddings, but after lawsuits...”

No there won’t. The Church has withstood this type of intimidation for over 2000 years and will close and deconsecrate the church, essentially abandon it, before joining two sodomites in holy matrimony.


5 posted on 10/04/2011 9:54:09 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: marshmallow

He’ll get his orders by COB today. Guaranteed.


6 posted on 10/04/2011 10:02:20 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


7 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


8 posted on 10/04/2011 10:05:52 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: marshmallow

>“Holy Trinity is an actual Catholic parish, unlike the non-denominational chapels that are found on other military installations, and the only services held there are Catholic services. The Catholic Church does not perform the sacrament of matrimony for same-sex couples,” he said. <

I wished my multi-language/cultural mass, homo-loving, Bush-hating parish had this approach..


9 posted on 10/04/2011 10:08:50 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Is West Point a military installation?

Yes, it is an Army post like any other.


10 posted on 10/04/2011 10:09:52 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: Responsibility2nd
“Holy Trinity is an actual Catholic parish, unlike the non-denominational chapels that are found on other military installations, and the only services held there are Catholic services. The Catholic Church does not perform a pretend version of the sacrament of matrimony for same-sex couples,” he said.

Fixed.

11 posted on 10/04/2011 10:10:56 AM PDT by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: Stingray51

Thanks for the update.

So. Who will cave first? The Catholic Church or the US Armed Forces?

What I mean is that with the repeal of DADT, the Church will find itself at odds (understatement!) with military policy.


12 posted on 10/04/2011 10:16:39 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: marshmallow

If they throw the Church off the bases, so be it.

Do not bow under this unConstitutional Faggot BS.


13 posted on 10/04/2011 10:18:51 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: xzins
That would be a sinister, in-your-face act by the government, so it’s not likely to happen.

Not that's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

14 posted on 10/04/2011 10:21:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I never win at Scrable.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Not = Now


15 posted on 10/04/2011 10:23:08 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I never win at Scrable.)
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To: runninglips

Can we use the so called “Separation of church and state” to prevent the governemnt from forcing churches to do things against their idealogy.

If the government forces churches to preform gay weddings can they force mosques to perform gay weddings too?


16 posted on 10/04/2011 10:32:44 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Responsibility2nd

I think this may be the next step—require all chaplains to perform same-sex “marriages” or resign from the military. I don’t know if they would go as far as court-martials: that might provoke public outrage. Probably this is for after the 2012 election.


17 posted on 10/04/2011 11:15:06 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: xzins

I am gratified that someone is “pushing back.”


18 posted on 10/04/2011 11:24:07 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
No, Catholic Chaplains will not marry same-sex couples, come hell or high water. It'll never happen.

The military may have to discharge, or even court-martial all the Catholic chaplains. But the chaplains would not commit a canonical sacrilege: not one.

19 posted on 10/04/2011 11:46:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If we are all thinking the same way, then somebody is not thinking." Gen. George Patton)
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To: marshmallow

I met the Archbishop of the Military, Archbishop Broglio, this last weekend at a Serra Club Conference.

**“What non-Catholic chaplains do in nondenominational chapels on U.S. military grounds around the world will be up to the military, but no Catholic chaplain is authorized to perform a same-sex marriage under any circumstances,” Henry added.**

This is exactly what he and all the other Catholic Chaplains said.

God bless the Catholic Church! Will it be the only one standing against this?


20 posted on 10/04/2011 1:54:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: OpusatFR; GraceG

If the church wants to keep its tax free status, or perform public weddings, baptisms, counseling or adoptions, they will kowtow to the PTB, or be destroyed financially. It is another step to the destruction of the family, and the church will need to drop its tax free status to be free to choose. Not many will do that. There was a photographer in San Diego, that refused to be hired to take wedding pictures, but referred the woman woman couple to another. She was sued, and lost the case. The California supreme court upheld the verdict. Similar things happen in Canada all the time, you can even lose your tax free status, and be criminally liable for preaching against sodomy, same sex marriage, and warning people about the dangers of Islam. Coming soon here, their weapon, the courts.


21 posted on 10/04/2011 2:34:31 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: marshmallow
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22 posted on 10/04/2011 2:46:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: runninglips

We’ve been warned that the Church would necessarily be smaller and hidden.

Its not a new prophecy but something that comes in confrontation from time to time. Pope Benedict reiterated this message again in 2010:

“...We’ve been referred to the set of interviews gathered as Salt of the Earth, pp. 15-16. Here Ratzinger was asked about his failure “to bring about a broad movement against the currents of our time and a general change in mentality.” He responded that he never imagined he could “redirect the rudder of history. And if our Lord himself ends up on the Cross, one sees that God’s ways do not lead immediately to measurable successes.” He then alludes to Jesus’ parables about the mustard seed, the yeast, which told the disciples “that statistics is not one of God’s measurements.” He went on:

“In spite of that, something essential and crucial happens with the mustard seeds and the leaven, even though you can’t see it now. In that sense, I think we have to disregard quantitative measures of success. After all, we’re not a business operation that can look at the numbers to measure whether our policy has been successful and whether we’re selling more and more. Rather, we’re performing a service, and in the end, when we’ve done our job, we put it in the Lord’s hands. On the other hand, that doesn’t mean the everything is totally in vain. In fact, there are stirrings of faith among young people on every continent.
“Perhaps the time has come to say farewell to the idea of traditionally Catholic cultures. Maybe we are facing a new and different kind of epoch in the Church’s history, where Christianity will again be characterized more by the mustard seed, where it will exist in small, insignificant groups that nonetheless live an intensive struggle against evil and bring the good into the world–that let God in. I see that there is once more a great deal of activity of this kind…. There are certainly no mass conversions to Christianity, no reversal of the historical paradigm, no about-face. But there are powerful ways in which faith is present, inspiring people again and giving them dynamism and joy. In other words, there is a presence of faith that means something for the world.”

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=10517

Smaller, hidden, Sounds like the Catacombs doesn’t it?

*and look what happened!

As we say at Mass every day:

“When we eat this bread and drink this cup we proclaim your death, Lord Jesus, UNTIL YOU COME IN GLORY”; “Dying you destroyed our death; rising your restored our life, LORD, JESUS, COME IN GLORY”

“Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again,”

“We wait in joyful hope until You come again.”

Staying faithful will cost and has cost many. We have been blessed to live here, but perhaps it is our turn to learn obedience and faithfulness in a way that costs.

Will I? I hope so, but then again, I’m a pretty frail vessel.


23 posted on 10/04/2011 3:15:35 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: marshmallow

Placemark for pinglist.


24 posted on 10/04/2011 8:29:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Salvation; onyx; Miss Didi; RedMDer; DJ MacWoW; Alas Babylon!

**“What non-Catholic chaplains do in nondenominational chapels on U.S. military grounds around the world will be up to the military, but no Catholic chaplain is authorized to perform a same-sex marriage under any circumstances,” Henry added.**

This is exactly what he and all the other Catholic Chaplains said.

God bless the Catholic Church! Will it be the only one standing against this?

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Hallelujah! And amen! They must hold their ground and face the repercussions, whatever they are. God bless and protect them.


25 posted on 10/04/2011 8:45:45 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: marshmallow
“The Pentagon's new policy, as outlined in these two memos, appears to ignore the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which was signed into law 15 years ago and remains in effect,” Broglio said in a statement released last week.

No one is discussing this, which is a very important point thst I think the Archbishop rightfully noted. In my years of service, I never knew the Military leadership to knowingly violate the written law of the land. Even the president has to, as part of his oath of office, "faithfully execute the laws of the United States."

Even if the president orders them to do so, the military cannot violate the law. Nurenberg, anyone?

26 posted on 10/05/2011 3:50:26 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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