Posted on 10/26/2011 9:32:38 PM PDT by rzman21
Michael Voris of RealCatholic TV discusses Mormonism and Protestantism: http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/search/0/zQZBukPUwAA
It was an attempt to lump Protestants in with Mormons. That’s dishonest ... and sleazy.
Do you have any inside information that rzman21 is a retread?
Or do you just go around wildly accusing others of breaking the rules?
When in Rome....
Got to agree with Belt on this one, papertyger -- while we may fight, our Lutheran, Anglican etc. brethren hold to the Nicene Creed -- even Baptists hold to the basic tenets and the Trinity.
Mormonism doesn't -- they hold to many godS. That points out the inherent dislogic in their religion -- it cannot be a continuation of Judaism if it is not monotheistic.
There is no theological comparison between Mormonism and any lutheran, baptist, catholic, methodist etc. Christian Church.
In fact as I've said before, the umbrella term "Protestant" holds many viewpoints, some of which: Lutheran, traditional Anglican and to some extent Methodism are VERY close to orthodoxy in belief in Christ, His sacraments etc. Among Assemblies of God and Southern Baptists there is more distance but they still hold to a Trinitarian view. There are some like Oneness Pentecostals who hold a completely divergent viewpoint, but they are also at odds with the Anglican, Methodist,Lutheran beliefs, so clubbing those together is nonsensical. I refuse to use the p word anymore for that reason.
The Mormons on the other hand are a whole different proposition -- yes, they arose out of the Revivalist movement in the 1800s, and borrowed elements from Baptists ("Great apostasy"), but theologically it is like comparing American or French or German democracy with Saudi theocracy.
Imitation is the highest form of flattery ;)
#1 Name 'em if you've counted 'em. (I won't tap my foot waiting)
#2 Round up 10 Roman Catholic women in one room from around the world. We won't even ask them what they believe on every "Roman Catholic" doctrine. We'll just ask them their position on associated issues such as birth control, sexuality, marriage and abortion:
* One will consider the pill as a potential source of abortion.
* One will be on the pill herself.
* One will consider to be pro-life from conception to beyond birth.
* One will have already gotten one or more abortions.
* One will promote abstinence until marriage.
* One can't remember with how many boys/men she's slept with.
* One will eschew divorce with zealousness.
* One will be divorced once or more at her own initiative for no Biblical reason.
* One will closely adhere to what the Pope and Vatican utters.
* One won't even have them within their radar screen.
* Shall I go on...?
I don't even have to outline all the distinct "camps" within Catholicism.
Hey, all I have to do to show you "Catholic diversity" on key doctrines is to go visit 10 distinct Catholic homes.
I'd recommend removing that beam in your eye, but hey, my own eyesight is rather poor and full of too many splinters myself...but I would -- if I were you -- go see a specialist. You gotta major timber industry goin' on there...
Why the laugh?
It's just as LOGICAL as Peter being the first pope; isn't it?
Out of the dustheap of the old?
You know; JEWS say the same about Christianity as a whole.
Do they have a point?
Seems like a LOT of your folks ain't LISTENING!!
The Catholic Church needs reform, but the winds of modernism have taken the reins in the Catholic Church since Vatican II.
Did the magisterium go to sleep?
Pope Benedict has begun the process of turning things around. It will take another generation to restore orthodoxy.
WHAT??
Then your 'magisterium' needs to YELL! instead of SPEAK!
If we TOLD you; then the CATHOLIC church would know why IT isn't monolithic!
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
And an IMAGE is VERY hard to get rid of!
Thus; one of the ten...
Uh; not really; for it appears that CATHOLICS have lumped EVERYONE into the same basket: NON-catholic.
Now THIS is rich!
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I’ll ask again: how so?
Nonsense.
He makes completely valid points. He correctly points out that Protestantism is heretical, and snickers at the “test” the baptist minister uses, because it could be fairly applied to his own sect.
If others want to gag on the gnat of “special books” because Mormons positively wrote their own and Protestants just negatively truncated the real bible, they are choking on a philosophical “distinction without difference” in that they ARE using altered scriptures.
He never says Protestants aren’t Christian, while he does make that claim that for Mormonism.
It should be remembered that while yes, Mormonism has gone completely off the reservation, Protestantism was a theological stepping stone for that journey. They ARE heretical.
That certain Protestants get hot under that collar when the facts are pointed out does nothing to impeach those facts. I’d be more impressed with their protestations if they would fairly answer the questions we have been posing to them for years instead of turning into vicious snapping dogs when they find themselves theologically challenged by biblically knowledgable Catholics.
Yes, but the difference is we aren't trying to tell the Jews they're wrong. Mormons insist they are still Christian.
Why is it rich?
And how does your quote relate to the rest of your comment?
Well of course you are...You guys always do...You tell them that you are the new Jews and that God is done with them...They don't believe that at all...
You tell them that they have no physical inheritance of a literal promised land...They are right and they know they are right...
Mormons insist they are still Christian.
If Catholics are Christians, Mormons are just as Christian...Every body's a Christian now days...
Their religion isn't any more whacked out than yours...At least they don't have people all over the world claiming to have seen the ghost of Mary who tells them to believe things that contradict the scriptures...
You guys, the Mormons, the Islamaniacs and the Jehovah Witnesses all have at lest one thing in common...
You believe only the parts of the scriptures that line up with your religion...
Do try to keep up.
The context of the point was on being a “different religion.”
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