Fathers vs. the Evangelicals

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[rzman21]

I challenge Evangelicals to put their interpretation of the Bible and their theology up against the acid test of what the Early Church Fathers taught.

Perhaps, Evangelicalism is closer to the truth than Mormonism, but it still has a long way to go.

Purpose

This Web page is dedicated to the defense of Catholic doctrines within Patristic thought. The Catholic rule of faith consists of three coordinate and complementary authorities: Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the teaching Church. The Church Fathers used both Scripture and Tradition to explain and defend the Catholic faith. Corunum's mission is to present the outline of Catholic doctrines as they appear in the writings of the Church Fathers.

What you will Find Inside

Corunum Apologetic Web site does not contain a library of the writings of the Church Fathers. There are a host of sites on the internet which offer the Ante-Nicene Fathers(ANF) edited by Cleveland Coxe and the Nicene Post-Nicene Fathers(NPNF) edited by Philip Schaff and Henry Wace.(cf. ANF/NPNF ). Inside you will find testimony from the Church Fathers on various Catholic doctrines listed in chronological order.

"See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out[through their office] the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." Ignatius of Antioch,Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2(A.D. 110),in ANF,I:89

Taught by St. Peter the Apostle

Against schism:

"Why are there strifes, and tumults, and divisions, and schisms, and wars among you? Have we not [all] one God and one Christ? Is there not one Spirit of grace poured out upon us? And have we not one calling in Christ? Why do we divide and tear to pieces the members of Christ, and raise up strife against our own body, and have reached such a height of madness as to forget that "we are members one of another?" Remember the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, how He said, "Woe to that man [by whom offences come]! It were better for him that he had never been born, than that he should cast a stumbling-block before one of my elect. Yea, it were better for him that a millstone should be hung about [his neck], and he should be sunk in the depths of the sea, than that he should cast a stumbling-block before one of my little ones. Your schism has subverted [the faith of] many, has discouraged many, has given rise to doubt in many, and has caused grief to us all. And still your sedition continueth." Clement of Rome[regn c.A.D. 91-101],To the Corinthians,46(A.D. 91),in ANF,I:17-18

Taught by St. Peter the Apostle

[CynicalBear]

Paragraphs are our friend. I don’t even attempt to read without them.

[CynicalBear]

As opposed to reading with RCC colored glasses?

[smvoice]

Hey, that COULD be a clue as to how Catholism evolved: NO PARAGRAPHS. Who could read what was actually written? Just put the papal ring into the wax and call it “doctrine”.

[rzman21]

How about being objective? I was raised in an anti-Catholic family where everyone thinks the way you do.

So I decided to think for myself.

[Iscool]

So you are declaring that you are infallible and that you know better than all Christians who came before the 16th century?

I don't know enough of the Christians before the 16th century to make a call on that one...

I didn't declare anything of the sort...I will declare tho that the Holy Spirit who resides within me is infallible...

You don't make that claim do you...

[Iscool]

every scholar ( Catholic, Protestant, athiest )who has studied all available evidence, has come to the same conclusion, 7 epistles were written by Ignatius. i understand why some cling to the fiction that they were forged, because it they are true, their belief system is FALSE.

Obviously you haven't researched the topic you appear to be an expert on...

[Zionist Conspirator]

Please forgive my tardiness, as this thread sort of got buried.

Re your post #507: thank you.