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To: RnMomof7; CynicalBear

where are the quotes of Tertullian, Origen and Clement condemning the Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence?

there aren’t any because they were Catholic and held the Catholic Faith.


145 posted on 10/29/2011 12:38:13 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear
there aren’t any because they were Catholic and held the Catholic Faith.

LOL there WAS NO ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE then..

Clement of Alexandria (150-211/216 A.D.) also called the bread and wine symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and taught that the communicant received not the physical but the spiritual life of Christ

148 posted on 10/29/2011 12:41:45 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; RnMomof7

ROFL You forget that the “transubstantiation” stuff came after those church fathers? I do believe it wasn’t until the Council of Trent in 1551 that it was even defined what it was. If I remember right it wasn’t until Hildebert de Lavardin, Archbishop of Tours in 1133 or something that it was even spoken of. That’s not to say that there were not those before who may have believed such but surely there was no unanimous consent. I simply pointed out a few who did NOT believe the changing of bread into flesh but knew it to be “representation”, “spiritual”, “antitypes”, “metaphor” and “figurative”.


153 posted on 10/29/2011 1:12:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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