Mormons worship a different jesus

Ogden Standard-Examiner ^ | Oct. 19, 2011 | Betsy Harvey

[Colofornian]

This is in response to "People should learn about Mormons before criticizing." This is absolutely true and I have done just that. I am a Christian and have many Mormon friends, family and neighbors that I choose to love in spite of our differences. Just because Jesus Christ's name is on the church doesn't mean it's the same Jesus I worship. Gordon B. Hinckley, on June 6, 1998, in Geneva, Switzerland had stated that Mormons do not believe in the traditional Christ. They believe that Jesus is our elder brother.

Brigham Young stated on Feb. 8,1857 that the god of "this" world had sexual relations with Mary and fathered Jesus.

Traditional Christians have been criticized for centuries for their beliefs, so Mormons must accept the fact that they worship a different Jesus. I suggest they read the Bible and see the difference. Read Isaiah 14:14. In this country we have religious freedom to believe in many gods, no god or Yahweh (the everlasting God).

Betsy Harvey

North Ogden

[CommerceComet]

Sorry for the rant but I’m so sick of everyone butting into other people’s lives

You mean like when those young men in white shirts and ties ride their bikes to your house, introduce themselves as elders, and then try to get you to abandon your Catholicism? Back to the point of this thread - they aren't trying to convert you because you have the same Jesus they claim.

[Coldwater Creek]

As a born again Christian, I have a responsibility to present the Truth.

I care a great deal about where you will spend eternity.

[rhombus]

If we fail to tell them, their loss is on our head. If we tell them and they continue down the path they are lost, but we are held blameless

As a Catholic or "Other Christian", when someone tells you that they think you might be on the wrong path (with or without Bible quotes), is it your duty to correct them or do you just smile, say you disagree and say "God bless"? Which path works best for you? (just curious, not challenging you).

[Coldwater Creek]

The MOST important issue in ones life is where they will spend eternity.

This is a RELIGION forum.

[UncommonJudge]

Well said. Thank you.

[greyfoxx39]

If it were just a matter of different beliefs about the recipe for a cake I'd agree with you. However Catholics and Other Christians think it is a matter of life and death and the Jesus told us it is our business to let someone on the wrong path know they are heading for the cliff of destruction. If we fail to tell them, their loss is on our head. If we tell them and they continue down the path they are lost, but we are held blameless. The Christian belief is that Jesus, God the Son, is the only way to Heaven. We want others to be in Heaven and thus we are commanded to point the correct way. Christians also believe that all we can do is the pointing but God the Holy Spirit alone opens the hearts and minds That is why we care not about how someone else worships but about just Who they worship. From Mormon doctrine we see that the one they worship is not the same God that promises salvation, but another entity they choose to call by the same name.

Excellent! Bears repeating.

[Godzilla]

You are free to persist relentlessly in your (fruitless) efforts to attack the Restored Church of Jesus Christ. My only suggestion to you is that you consider whether you, like Saul of old, may be “kick(ing) against the pricks.”

Paul was also very outspoken about false teachers and even if an angel presents another gospel contrary to his.

My suggestion is that Colo's has made that consideration

Was smith visited - no

Is the bom another testament - no

Is mormonism the 'restored' church - no, it is restored paganism

[Last Dakotan]

[greyfoxx39]

No matter how emphatically and derisively mainstream Jewry rejected Christ then - or how energetically “mainstream” Christians reject Him and restored truths about Him now, reality about God stands independent of the philosophies and doctrines of man.

The reality is that anti-Christian claims like the above do not go over well on FreeRepublic.

"The traditional understanding of the Messiah, then as in our day, had strayed from the truth in important ways."...only in the minds of those who follow the conman Joseph Smith.

[SuzyQue]

I think that as Christians seeking to evangelize, we should be concerned about another’s religious beliefs.

When that is not the issue, and we are engaged in the polis, the community, the everyday life of working with merchants, politicians, petty bureaucrats, neighbors, teachers, etc., our concern should be one of values.

While I find the Mormon statement of beliefs in conflict with Christianity, I find their values admirable.

So, I would not choose or allow a Mormon to be a spiritual leader. But, a community leader - yes.

[kjo]

Don’t you get it? Religion becomes everyone’s political problem only when the candidate is a Republican.

Obama’s church doesn’t matter...see, he’s OBAMA, you know, The One, The Messiah.

Romney is a dirty Republican...HIS religion must be put under a microscope.

[O6ret]

Why does anyone care about how someone else worships?

The Mormon issue is somewhat benign but I suspect you'll be singing a different tune when the Muslims, as they are doing in England, France and Scandinavia, begin to demand changes to our Constitution and legal system to accommodate their "religious practices".

[DManA]

Truth in advertising.

[greyfoxx39]

So, I would not choose or allow a Mormon to be a spiritual leader. But, a community leader - yes.

Perhaps you would find a quick glimpse to be helpful of just what this "mormon community leader" believes and what mormon values are.

HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS ABOUT MORMONS?

[Colofornian]

Well, thank you for stating your opinion.

I'd rather have Lds like yourself state their views -- with some thought put into them like what you have offered -- than simply sulk or hurl invectives or judge motivations.

We are fortunate to live in circumstances where we are free to worship according to the dictates of our own consciences.

My Q back to you JTT...I know this is your 11th article of faith...and therefore you seemingly "have" to believe it...It's tantamount to a "creed..." But have you ever dissected what this means -- if thoroughly applied?

I mean, JusttheTruth, what if I took Smith's "civil" tolerant sounding statement and started applying it theologically?

What? Mormons believe that smoking peyote or something more -- if done under a religious conviction -- is a "privilege" unto man and that God sanctions people "worship[ing] how...or what...may"???

Would that include Manasseh & others engaging in child sacrifice in the OT?
Or what about prostitutes @ some of the pagan temples? This is a god who sanctions that as an endorsement to the point He's willing to build an "article of faith" around it? Wow! (Mormons are pretty liberal, after all)

So the next time a head-hunting, head-shrinker or voodoo thread comes up, should I say, "You Mormons be sure to peep up and 'bless' that with your 'article of faith' endorsement, too"??

You know, JTT, for some reason, the Mormon god contradicts the god of the Bible: "You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods." (Deut. 12:31)

So did you know that the 11th article of faith contradicts the Old Testament?

You know, I RARELY agree with Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie...But even the Lds “apostle” Bruce McConkie got this one right (I know, quite rare):

“True and saving worship is found only among those who know the truth about God and the Godhead and who understand the true relationship men should have with each member of that Eternal Presidency.” [Come Unto Christ Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 45 (1983, 1986)]

[webboy45]

Mormons teach the resurected Jesus of the Bible. Most other “Christians” teach the Jesus of the Pagan Constantine. Read Eusibius if you don’t believe me.

[SuzyQue]

There’s a lot there, Greyfox. What, specifically, are you referring to?

[greyfoxx39]

Read Eusibius if you don’t believe me.

This subject has been covered numerous times on FR. If you don't believe me, read this FR thread The Nicene Creed and the Invention of the Trinity

The first comment gives additional links...(if you don't believe me.)

[cotton]

I try to give them the reason for my Hope. I try to do this with gentleness and humility. It is nice of them to attempt to lead me in what they think is the correct path. Conversation with them may, or may not result in a change in their perception. By listening I am better able to understand the other person and why they believe what they believe. In this understanding I may be better able to give clarity to my own belief and improve my articulation of it. However I do not expect to see any immediate “conversion”. My job is only to deliver the message.

[rhombus]

Thanks. Mission Accomplished!