[Colofornian]

If you go back to the last 25 years of the 20th century into the beginnings of the 21st century -- per official Mormon publications -- they actually agreed with this distinction:

Lds "prophet" Gordon B. Hinckley: “There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.” (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)

Hinckley again: As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. ("We Look to Christ", from April 2002 General Conference.)

“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26

"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.269).

So the Mormon official publications say they worship a different Christ...
The Mormon "prophet" said they speak about, believe and acknowledge a different Christ...
Most Christians say they worship, speak of and trust another Jesus...

So. We are seemingly on the same page...so why the few stragglers who are out of harmony???

[Eddie01]

I read Ecclesiastes the morning.

Highly recommended.

[cubreporter]

Why does anyone care about how someone else worships? Who cares what the Mormons do or the Catholics or Protestants or Episcapalans or Luthrans etc... Everyone should worship as they see fit and the rest of us should mind our own business.

Religion is a very private and personal matter. It matters not to me how anyone worships. If that is their belief then so be it. Everyone to their own comfort zones.

I am Catholic and believe in God. I always have been and always will be. It is MY business. If someone doesn’t like that fact...then they should just butt out. Plain and Simple.

Sorry for the rant but I’m so sick of everyone butting into other people’s lives...we have enough of that with the government who also need to butt out.

[cubreporter]

Why does anyone care about how someone else worships? Who cares what the Mormons do or the Catholics or Protestants or Episcapalans or Luthrans etc... Everyone should worship as they see fit and the rest of us should mind our own business.

Religion is a very private and personal matter. It matters not to me how anyone worships. If that is their belief then so be it. Everyone to their own comfort zones.

I am Catholic and believe in God. I always have been and always will be. It is MY business. If someone doesn’t like that fact...then they should just butt out. Plain and Simple.

Sorry for the rant but I’m so sick of everyone butting into other people’s lives...we have enough of that with the government who also need to butt out.

[Grunthor]

“Mormons worship a different jesus”

Yes, I believe that to be true from what I have read about the religion.

[Elsie]

This is in response to "People should learn about Mormons before criticizing."

Yup. That sounds like VERY good advice!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[avital2]

i am sick of so called “Mormon” issue - i am interested in how people act, not Whom/what they worship. many call themselves “Christian” and do not act like it. i am more interested in the government getting out of the way of business so the economy can recover. that is an issue well worth debating.

[AppyPappy]

I know some Baptists who believe Jesus isn’t the Son of God therefore Baptists don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God.

The United Methodist Church has an official pro-life position therefore Methodists are pro-life.

[JustTheTruth]

The Old Testament Jews were looking forward to a Messiah. When Christ came as that true Messiah/Savior, they condemned Him essentially as a false pretender. Was He different from the “orthodox” mainstream view in that culture of what He was “supposed” to be? Yup; and that was because the devout Jews’ traditional view and expectations had been modifed and altered from truth over the centuries. The traditional understanding of the Messiah, then as in our day, had strayed from the truth in important ways.

Even good men such as Saul of Tarsus, steeped in the mainstream religious thinking of his time, were zealously persecuting the Messiah even while, as they supposed, they were acting in His service.

No matter how emphatically and derisively mainstream Jewry rejected Christ then - or how energetically “mainstream” Christians reject Him and restored truths about Him now, reality about God stands independent of the philosophies and doctrines of man.

We are fortunate to live in circumstances where we are free to worship according to the dictates of our own consciences. You are free to persist relentlessly in your (fruitless) efforts to attack the Restored Church of Jesus Christ. My only suggestion to you is that you consider whether you, like Saul of old, may be “kick(ing) against the pricks.”

[Last Dakotan]

[SuzyQue]

I think that as Christians seeking to evangelize, we should be concerned about another’s religious beliefs.

When that is not the issue, and we are engaged in the polis, the community, the everyday life of working with merchants, politicians, petty bureaucrats, neighbors, teachers, etc., our concern should be one of values.

While I find the Mormon statement of beliefs in conflict with Christianity, I find their values admirable.

So, I would not choose or allow a Mormon to be a spiritual leader. But, a community leader - yes.

[Tennessee Nana]

From the statue in Temple Square down town SLC

“I ASKED WHICH OF THE SECTS WAS RIGHT AND WHICH I SHOULD JOIN. IWAS ANSWERED I MUST JOIN NONE OF THEM. THEY WERE ALL WRONG. THEY TEACH FOR DOCTRINE THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN

The Smith family was excommunicated from the Palmyra Presbyterian Church in Palmyra, NY in March, 1830 for preaching blasphemy...

Joey Smith later wrote about that period...

I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” (Joseph Smith Pearl of great Price (JS History 1:20)

“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26

Not the same Jesus

“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.

No, I don’t.

The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”

– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)

[x]

Mormons worship a different Jesus

The Black one?

[guitarplayer1953]

Hinckley again: As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. ("We Look to Christ", from April 2002 General Conference.)

NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD AND LIVED SO THIS IS A LIE!

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Mormons worship a different jesus

Wow. This is something different from you guys. Really getting creative around here since the last time I checked in. lol.

[Dagnabitt]

Where there anti-Mormon hate threads on FR before Romney’s 2008 campaign?

Will there be such hate threads after he drops out in 2012?