Skip to comments.Baal, Jupiter, and other God(s) of Romney's LDS sect of Mormonism.
Posted on 10/29/2011 10:14:55 AM PDT by SENTINEL
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and RINO Presidential candidate Mitt Romney have brought the many aspects of the breakaway LDS sect of Mormonism into the media spotlight. Energetic accusations and counter accusations, denials, coverup and obfuscation rule the discussion, all he while the forest is missed for the trees.
I present here the most shocking evidence yet brought to bear against the christianity claims of mormons.
Mormons believe Baal and Jupiter helped create the universe.
A graven image of Baal at the Nauvoo Illinois LDS Temple.
This is a photo of the very Jupiter Talisman that Emma Smith, Joseph's widow, claimed was his most prized possession and was in his pocket the day he died.
Just a little "light reading" from the breakaway LDS sect's version of Mormonism's Book of Abraham proves that mormons, like buddists, hindus, ancient greeks, egyptians and other babylonian mystery religion offshoots believe in multiple gods.
Abraham Chapter 4:
1 And then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.
3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.
4 And they (the Gods) comprehended the light, for it was bright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness.
5 And the Gods called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called night; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night.
6 And the Gods also said: Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and it shall divide the waters from the waters.
7 And the Gods ordered the expanse, so that it divided the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so, even as they ordered.
8 And the Gods called the expanse, Heaven. And it came to pass that it was from evening until morning that they called night; and it came to pass that it was from morning until evening that they called day; and this was the second atime that they called night and day.
9 And the Gods ordered, saying: Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto bone place, and let the earth come up dry; and it was so as they ordered;
10 And the Gods pronounced the dry land, Earth; and the gathering together of the waters, pronounced they, aGreat Waters; and the Gods saw that they were obeyed.
Strangely, Brigham Young declared the entire JST a fruad, and the LDS sect broke away from mormonism and the teachings of Joseph Smith....They threw out the JST version and don't use it to this very day.
....And people wonder why prominent lds mormons like Harry Reid and Mitt Romney who are so blatantly dishonest are so welcomed by lds hierarchy.
he’ll fit right in in DC. Brings a spiritual dimension to the freaking superstitious secular witchcraft and paganism they all engage in.
Not a Romney fan, but people believe all kinds of ridiculous things, most notably many of those who like to point the finger.
yea, and there are some people out there who actually believe Mary was a virgin when she had her baby. Go figure.
If this statement is intended to convey some meaning, I confess it's too sublime for me.
>> the breakaway LDS sect of Mormonism
Breakaway?? I thought the LDS sect was the majority of mormons, by a very large margin?
If the LDS sect broke away from the mormons 150 years ago because of the JST, then why quote the JST now as proof of the LDS sect’s apostasy?
well, do you believe Jesus raised from the dead? Where’s the science in that?
Just because you like your myths better than Romney’s, doesn’t make you superior. Not by a long shot.
I so agree. I think it would be far more productive to discuss his policies and the problems with them.....and leave his religion alone.
In addition to multiple commands in the bible to expose the works of darkness, and in addition to being a lifelong FORMER mormon myself and suffering many years guilt, robbery and spiritual tyranny under works-righteuos heretics, I can prove that Romney is not a Christian, in the same way he is not a conservative. If he would quit making false claims to the contrary on both fronts, I would quit proving him a liar.
Are you hallucinating?
Ba’al, Jupiter, Osiris, et al are just the same name of the infamous leader of ancient Mesopotamia - Nimrod. He, his wife Semiramis, and their son became a trinity of gods worshiped by all in the area except Abraham. And that caused a slight problem for Nimrod when Abraham, with his exceptional hospitality skills, went around preaching the good news of ethical monotheism about a God who wasn’t human.
Mormonism is just the same old pagan crap but just repackaged. If Romney wants to be the god of his own planet I don’t think I need he needs practice doing it at the cost of the taxpayer.
the hate mormon stuff is getting tired.
Nice anti-Catholic post n00b...that'll go over well.
AMEN. All cults are just the same old pagan crap but just repackaged. They ALL had their beginnings with Nimrod. Just change a few names, add a few ‘new and improved’ works, and voila’..They all stem from Babylon. And they are all under the umbrella “Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.” There is nothing new under the sun. Just “prettier” gift wrapping for some..
Yes, the LDS are the "breakaway" sect, they are the ONLY ones who abandoned the JST version. What i am trying to show is the pattern of deception they use. They left true Joseph Smith mormonism long ago, now they claim all the other branches are rogue. They are the largest and wealthiest so they get away with it. You will note if you watch these threads that very much of the time they do nothing but try to cover up the original sourced quotes of the original founders of mormonism that folks like myself post. The fact is they are so far detqatched from "mormonism" as it was restored, it actually embarasses them...And because they can plainly see the internet is destroying them, they are looking at Christianity as nothing more than a place to hide.
The problem is now in the last 20 years or so they have set their sights on Christianity. The same pattern will be repeated, they are not Christians, but first they will claim to be, and if they succeed they will use their MASSIVE wealth (Think Fortune 50, not 500 sized corporation) to run true Christians into the ground.
in your book it is okay to be anti-Mormon but not anti-Catholic? Explain.
Oh, this should be good...
Um, you have been here 12 days...
Take a look at #4.
You REALLY need an explanation?
I highly recommend the excellent "Know Your Enemy" dvd set available from "TheFuelProject" channel on Youtube or theapologeticsgroup.com for anyone wanting a comprehensive lesson on the source of ALL false religion, called "Mystery Babylon" in the bible.
Believe it or not, the Old Testament refers to ‘Gods’ as well. In Genesis, when God says, “Let US create man in our own image” the Hebrew word used for God is Elohim - a plural. Hence, ‘let US...” This has been suggested as God’s self-referential acknowledgement of His triune nature - being Father,Son and Holy Spirit.
While I strongly disagree with Mormomism, we should not be so hasty to point out fault with something that exists in our Bible too.
Nice anti-Christian post.
Plato was a philosopher in Athens. Where's the science in that?
That belief isn't exclusive to Catholicism.
Nice anti-Catholic post n00b...that'll go over well
yea, and there are some people out there who actually believe Mary was a virgin when she had her baby. Go figure
Here's a thought: then stay out of the religion forum.
The Trinity is one God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit- Three in One.
It’s anti-protestant, too, for that matter.
Let us is the first teaching of the trinity, which Christians believe is 3 persons in One eternal God ..unlike Mormons we do not believe it was separate gods.. John 1 clears that up..
Brian, I want to make sure that you know that the book of "Abraham" is in the lds sect's "Pearl of Great Price", FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith claimed to translate it off of a piece of parchment found on some egyptian mummies which were part of a travelling circus sideshow. The "Translation" was proven to be utterly false with the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, many years later. It turns out the ancient drawing was a very common eqyptian "have a good afterlife" card called a "book of breathings", which was placed with almost all the dead. This is from the lds sect's Pearl of Great Price".
>> What i am trying to show is the pattern of deception they use. They left true Joseph Smith mormonism long ago, now they claim all the other branches are rogue.
Smith created the Mormon church and then decided he had to translate the Bible. Most mormons read his Bible and said, “No way Joe!” and split, effectively taking the name of his church with them when they left. I don’t believe that mormons are true Christians, but they are more Christian than most secular Americans who claim Christianity as their faith without ever setting foot in a church, reading a Bible, or praying (except when they discover they have cancer).
This isn’t deception. It is discernment.
Protestants could say the exact same thing about Catholics. Orthodox Catholics could say the same thing about Roman Catholics. Methodists could say it of Episcopals. Assembly of God could say it of Methodists. Paul’s church would say it of Peter’s. Christianity is a history of people thinking that they’ve found the One True Way and splitting from those who think the old ways are right. But, we share enough common history and common beliefs that we all still know who the real Enemy is...I hope.
You don’t steer people away from a bad church by telling them they are wrong, or that their church is evil. You draw them away by showing that your way to God is right and that your church is better. I don’t care about the mormons, except that they are evangelizing their faith and mine is sitting there with “Open Doors, Open Hearts, Open Minds” and empty parking lots!
There are those full cognizant of what mormonism is and there are those who have been deceived as to what mormonism is. You will find answers in the old testament where it deals with false prophets and minions or servants of Satan. I will say nothing further on this period.
Which one? She had at least seven.
>>Brian, I want to make sure that you know that the book of “Abraham” is in the lds sect’s “Pearl of Great Price”,
OK, so the LDS sect broke off from the mainstream mormons of the day because of the JST. Then, they incorporated a book of the JST into some other book. Is that right?
“If Romney wants to be the god of his own planet I dont think I need he needs practice doing it at the cost of the taxpayer.”
That’s good. And it would actually apply to all power-hungry politicians. They want to be gods at our expense. May they’re all Mormons.
It would be best to leave labeling criticism as “hate” to the liberals.
I disagree with you about what Christianity is, it is a relationship with Christ, not a religion. I have that relationship. Please trust my motives and methods.
re: “Just because you like your myths better than Romneys, doesnt make you superior. Not by a long shot.”
That’s not the writer of the original post’s intent. He is not trying to say Mormonism’s beliefs are superior or inferior per se - he is attempting to demonstrate that Mormonism differs greatly from orthodox, historical Christianity.
This is an issue with many Christians because Mormonism has been trying to equate itself with orthodox Christianity for the past 40 years. While I understand the issue, I don’t think Romney’s religion is relevant to whether or not he should be president. I oppose Romney because of his liberal political views and policies.
If anything, Romney and Reid are very, very much “jack” Mormons. That is, they really don’t follow their religion too much.
Obviously, you think both Christianity and Mormonism are equally mythical and worthy of being mocked - fine, but you are going after the anti-Romney people for the wrong reasons. Just thought you should know.
Baal schmaal, as long as he’s not worshipping Allah in there I could care less.
And I’m not a Romney fan. I’d prefer pretty much any other candidate except Ron Paul. But the details of his religion are irrelevant to me.
From left: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the Director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships Joshua DuBois, and President Thomas S. Monson, the head of the LDS Church, look on as Obama observes a detail on his family pedigree chart being pointed out to him by Mormon apostle Dallin Oaks. The denomination has presented such compilations to several recent US presidents.
I never have been Catholic...but I WAS mormon. I know it for the cult it is.
Are you mormon? Explain.
Ping for later
There is not book of Abraham in the Bible. Chapter 4 anyway seems to be a copy of Genesis chapter 1 with the word God changed to Gods.
There is a book Called the "Pearl of Great Price" in mromonism which includes "Abraham", "Moses" "Joseph Smith-Matthew" and "Joseph Smith-History". Joseph Smith-Matthew was an attempt by Joe to "re translate the bible" to see if the members would accept it, and after he saw that they did, he embarked on the whole bible. Funny thing is the Joseph Smith Matthew version the lds sect uses does not match the Joseph Smith Translation version of Matthew.....However, lds mormons are quick to point out when asked about JST that they use it, referring actually to JS-Matthew in the POGP, in other words, THEY LIE ABOUT IT.
Is it OK to point out that mormon men believe they can become gods providing they pass the temple recommend test and take part in masonic rites and covenants in their temples and Christ's Grace is insufficient but they must "do all that they can do"???
I stand corrected. Thanks.
re: “Believe it or not, the Old Testament refers to Gods as well. In Genesis, when God says, Let US create man in our own image the Hebrew word used for God is Elohim - a plural. Hence, let US... This has been suggested as Gods self-referential acknowledgement of His triune nature - being Father,Son and Holy Spirit. While I strongly disagree with Mormomism, we should not be so hasty to point out fault with something that exists in our Bible too.”
You are quite right that the noun for God in some Testament passages is literally, “gods”, however, the article following the plural noun is always singular. This is why Christian theologians believe that these references to God using a plural noun followed by a singular article may be indeed a forshadowing of the doctrine of the Trinity - which you also mention.
I just thought mentioning the singular article should be noted. It is also interesting that the Book of Mormon also teaches the Trinity. I don’t have the passages right in front of me, but possibly with a computer search of the Book of Mormon, you could find references to Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One. In fact, many of the current Mormon doctrines of God being an exalted man, no existence of Hell, etc. are not taught at all in the Book of Mormon.
A little book written by a gentleman named John L. Smith called “Witnessing to Mormons” or “How to Witness to Mormons” documents all these passages in the Book of Mormon that teach overtly Christian doctrines of salvation, the Trinity, existence of Hell, etc.
His approach is to use the Book of Mormon (along with the Bible) to demonstrate to Mormons how their current beliefs are in opposition to the Book of Mormon. This happened because Joseph Smith bascially incorpoated 75 percent of the New Testament into his “Book of Mormon”. Therefore, some real Christian doctrines are still in the Book of Mormon.
I don’t know if this book is still available, but I got a copy from the Tanners (who also wrote a very fascinating book called “Mormonism, Shadow or Reality?”).