Posted on 10/29/2011 3:31:02 PM PDT by RnMomof7
Catholics who believe a purifying fire will purge away their sins are deluded victims of a fatal fabrication. The invention of a place for purification of sins called Purgatory is one of the most seductive attractions of the Roman Catholic religion. Pastor John MacArthur of Grace Community Church described this deceptive hoax brilliantly. He said: "Purgatory is what makes the whole system work. Take out Purgatory and it's a hard sell to be a Catholic. Purgatory is the safety net, when you die, you don't go to hell. You go [to Purgatory] and get things sorted out and finally get to heaven if you've been a good Catholic. In the Catholic system you can never know you're going to heaven. You just keep trying and trying...in a long journey toward perfection. Well, it's pretty discouraging. People in that system are guilt-ridden, fear-ridden and have no knowledge of whether or not they're going to get into the Kingdom. If there's no Purgatory, there's no safety net to catch me and give me some opportunity to get into heaven. It's a second chance, it's another chance after death" (from "The Pope and the Papacy").
The Origin of Purgatory
There was no mention of Purgatory during the first two centuries of the church. However, when Roman Emperor Theodosius (379-395) decreed that Christianity was to be the official religion of the empire, thousands of pagans flooded into the Church and brought their pagan beliefs and traditions with them. One of those ancient pagan beliefs was a place of purification where souls went to make satisfaction for their sins.
The concept became much more widespread around 600 A.D. due to the fanaticism of Pope Gregory the Great. He developed the doctrine through visions and revelations of a Purgatorial fire. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia (CE), Pope Gregory said Catholics "will expiate their faults by purgatorial flames," and "the pain [is] more intolerable than any one can suffer in this life." Centuries later, at the Council of Florence (1431), it was pronounced an infallible dogma. It was later reaffirmed by the Council of Trent (1564). The dogma is based largely on Catholic tradition from extra- biblical writings and oral history. "So deep was this belief ingrained in our common humanity that it was accepted by the Jews, and in at least a shadowy way by the pagans, long before the coming of Christianity" (CE). It seems incomprehensible that Rome would admit to using a pagan tradition for the defense of one of its most esteemed "Christian" doctrines.
The Deception of Purgatory
Purgatory comes from the Latin word “purgare,” which means to make clean or to purify. The Catholic Encyclopedia defines purgatory as "a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions." They must be purified of these "venial" sins before they can be allowed into heaven. Here we see Catholicism perpetuating the seductive lie of Satan by declaring "you will not surely die" when you commit venial sins (Gen. 3:4). The Council of Trent dares to declare that "God does not always remit the whole punishment due to sin together with the guilt. God requires satisfaction and will punish sin...The sinner, failing to do penance in this life, may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God." (Session 15, Can. XI). Those Catholic Bishops had the audacity to declare that the suffering and death of God's perfect man and man's perfect substitute was not sufficient to satisfy divine justice for sin.
The Motivation for Purgatory
Over the centuries billions of dollars have been paid to Roman Catholic priests to obtain relief from imaginary sufferings in Purgatory's fire. The Catholic clergy has always taught that the period of suffering in Purgatory can be shortened by purchasing indulgences and novenas, buying Mass cards and providing gifts of money. When a Catholic dies, money is extracted from mourning loved ones to shorten the deceased's punishment in Purgatory. When my dear old dad passed away as a devout Catholic of 79 years, I was amazed at the hundreds of Mass cards purchased for him by well-meaning friends. We have heard of other Catholics who have willed their entire estates to their religion so that perpetual masses could be offered for them after they die. It is no wonder that the Catholic religion has become the richest institution in the world. The buying and selling of God's grace has been a very lucrative business for the Vatican.
Another motivation for Rome to fabricate the heretical doctrine of Purgatory is its powerful effect on controlling people. Ultimately, the enslavement and subjugation of people is the goal of every false religion, and Purgatory does exactly that. The concept of a terrifying prison with a purging fire, governed by religious leaders, is a most brilliant invention. It holds people captive, not only in this life but also in the next life. Catholic clergy will not say how many years people have to suffer for their sins or how many Masses must be purchased before they can be released from the flames. This dreadful fear and uncertainty is the most ruthless form of religious bondage and deception!
Another motivation for Rome to fabricate the heretical doctrine of Purgatory is its powerful effect on controlling people. Ultimately, the enslavement and subjugation of people is the goal of every false religion, and Purgatory does exactly that. The concept of a terrifying prison with a purging fire, governed by religious leaders, is a most brilliant invention. It holds people captive, not only in this life but also in the next life. Catholic clergy will not say how many years people have to suffer for their sins or how many Masses must be purchased before they can be released from the flames. This dreadful fear and uncertainty is the most ruthless form of religious bondage and deception!
Another motivation for Rome to fabricate the heretical doctrine of Purgatory is its powerful effect on controlling people. Ultimately, the enslavement and subjugation of people is the goal of every false religion, and Purgatory does exactly that. The concept of a terrifying prison with a purging fire, governed by religious leaders, is a most brilliant invention. It holds people captive, not only in this life but also in the next life. Catholic clergy will not say how many years people have to suffer for their sins or how many Masses must be purchased before they can be released from the flames. This dreadful fear and uncertainty is the most ruthless form of religious bondage and deception!
Biblical Support for Purgatory
There is absolutely none! In fact, neither the word nor the concept of sin-purifying fire is found in Scripture. The Vatican was confronted with this in the 16th century when the Reformers protested its practice of buying and selling of God's grace through indulgences. Backed into a corner, the Council of Trent added the apocryphal books to its canon of Scripture. Rome now declares there is scriptural support for purgatory in the apocryphal book of Second Maccabees. The council ignored the fact that the Jewish scribes never recognized the apocryphal books as inspired or part of the Hebrew Scriptures. They were never included because of their many historical, theological and geographical errors. Since God is not the author of error, He obviously did not inspire the writers of the Apocrypha. This is why the Apocrypha was never included in the original canon of 66 books. ..........."
The Biblical Rebuke of Purgatory
God's Word leaves absolutely no possibility for sin to be purged away by anything other than the blood of Jesus Christ. The beloved apostle John penned these words with irrefutable clarity. He wrote, "The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin" and "all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:7, 9). John did not say "some" sins or "most" sins, but all sin! This soundly rebukes the need for a sin-purging fire. God's Word also declares, "All things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" (Heb. 9:22). When Jesus "made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" (Heb. 1:3). Those who desire to have their sins purged need to trust a person, not a place. The blood of Christ is the only cleansing agent for sin! Those who come to the cross of Christ must come with empty hands of faith, bringing nothing but their sins.
Every blood-bought believer is instantly present with their Redeemer at the moment of death. To be "absent from the body" is to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Cor. 5:6-8). This good news was affirmed by the Lord Jesus with the promise He gave to the repentant thief at Calvary. He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). This habitual sinner did not need a fire to purge his sins.
Catholics who believe in Purgatory need to be asked: "Who is in charge of releasing souls from the purging fire?" It cannot be God because of His promise to believers. "Their sins and iniquities I will remember no more" (Heb. 10:17). After conversion, God no longer counts sins against His children (2 Cor. 5:19).
Purgatory is a travesty on the justice of God and a disgraceful fabrication that robs Christ Jesus of His glory and honor. He alone satisfied divine justice, once and for all, by the perfect and finished sacrifice of Himself. The fatal deception of Purgatory blinds Catholics from the glorious Gospel of grace. It is one of Satan's many lies which keep his captives from knowing and trusting the sufficiency of Jesus Christ. It is Christ alone that will present us "faultless before the presence of his glory" (Jude 24).
Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? ;)
But if the Roman Catholic Church told the person who posted that, well, it's just gotta be right, right? /s
Hoss
They are always bigots. If they leave the RCC they are bigots. If they oppose the RCC’s doctrines, they are bigots. If they question an RCC doctrine, they are bigots. If they read the CCC and disagree with points contained, they are bigots. You know, some of those “bigots” have brought a boatload of truth about the RCC. Proof truth. So what is a truth from a bigot called in the RCC?
It’s my belief that Paul is saying that you should “work out your salvation”, ie. live the rest of you life as a child of
God as if you were trembling in awe of your savior. I mean how could God love a sinner like me. I’m totally unlikable, to quote a valley girl.
If Christ’s death on the cross, and my belief, enabled by the holy spirit, on that sacrifice isn’t the penultimate, and I have to do further by my own puny human actions to make my salvation secure, then no one can ever know if they’re saved or not. Do you truly believe that the God who loved us so much that He provided us a salvation through the death of His
Son would exact a further price by our puny efforts? It’s laughable. It puts our insignificant human existance on the level of a co-savior with God almighty. And that’s the key word.. All Mighty.
Blah blah blah.
Still bobbin’ and weaving’, I see. Why didn’t Christ tell the Thief that he would have to smoke a little in “Purgatory” before seeing him in Paradise? The Thief would HAVE to be in need of purification, right? I mean, really — he was being crucified!
So please tell me: if “Purgatory” exists, why would Christ not tell the Thief? Christ wouldn’t lie!
Hoss
and do you know what the word COLLATE means? Look it up.
Final purification? What? Where do you get that from? Or am I completely misreading what you’re saying?
Biblical references? I didn’t see a thing that referenced Purgatory or provided anything doctrinally sound for it.....
Or was it St. Peter’s Basilica’s funding that drove things along....
Hoss
Well, I don’t fault them for wanting to discuss their beliefs without interruption. I do appreciate that FR does afford that option. We do however need to have threads addressing those issues that are open for the ability to counter with scripture.
That is almost as funny as all of those who claim that Jesus spoke King James English or insist that He spoke Koine Greek.
However, since Scripture records that Jesus spoke with Romans including the centurion and Pilate are you claiming that He never taught in Latin?
Which the commentators read as YHvH's wrath See Rashi notes on Deut 4:24 cited up article The writer of Hebrews is citing Deuteronomy 4:24
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
and consuming fire for followers of false gods.
From an independent, uncommitted point of view, it looks as though the anti-Catholic bigots want pwople to go straight to hell and burn for eternity instead of thinking, as Catholics do, that God Almighty would allow the imperfect to be purified, then join Him in Glory.
Pretty harsh. I think I prefer the Catholic position. The others seem to want to tell God that He cannot be merciful.
**Why didn’t Christ tell the Thief that he would have to smoke a little in “Purgatory” before seeing him in Paradise? **
Because the thief made a perfect Act of Contrition.
(If you don’t know what that is — try New Advent.)
Lies are lies. Odd that you fail to see that.
Anyone who has read history knows that
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
in the eastern empire formerly under Alexander
the Great that Koine Grook was the lingua franca.
Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 00083 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 00084 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 00085 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 00086 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 00087 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 00088 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Pauls said he would rather be with the Lord than in the body and that that would be upon the Judgement and not before.
That is almost as funny as all of those who claim that Jesus spoke King James English or insist that He spoke Koine Greek.
However, since Scripture records that Jesus spoke with Romans including the centurion and Pilate are you claiming that He never taught in Latin?
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