Skip to comments.Remember when Romney said he wouldn’t put a Muslim in the cabinet? He made his Mormonism relevant
Posted on 11/02/2011 7:41:23 AM PDT by Colofornian
Mitt Romney can't have it both ways. Either a person's religion is relevant or it's not. But Romney can't say, as he did during the 2008 elections, that he wouldn't choose a Muslim as a cabinet secretary, and then turn around and say please don't discuss whether we should chose a Mormon as president. Either a person's religion is relevant or its not. And Romney clearly thinks it is relevant when the religion is Islam. So why isn't it relevant when it's Mormonism?
From the Christian Science Monitor:
"I asked Mr. Romney whether he would consider including qualified Americans of the Islamic faith in his cabinet as advisers on national security matters, given his position that 'jihadism' is the principal foreign policy threat facing America today. He answered, ' based on the numbers of American Muslims...in our population, I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified. But of course, I would imagine that Muslims could serve at lower levels of my administration.'"
"Romney...wants America to be blind to his religious beliefs and judge him on merit instead. Yet he seems to accept excluding Muslims because of their religion, claiming they're too much of a minority for a post in high-level policymaking..."
I'm surprised this didn't come up much during the recent brouhaha about one of Rick Perry's top religious supporters calling Mormonism a cult. Romney's attitude towards Islam is pretty much the same as this pastor's attitude towards Mormonism. Both are judging a potential politician's appointment to a senior government job based on their faith.
This seems to be a central tenet of Mormonism: Please leave me alone while I attack you. Whether it's the innocent settlers the Mormons massacred back in 1857, after the Mormons had fled being massacred themselves in the midwest...
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Oh sure he can. (And the MSM...with help from way too many FREEPERS...allow Romney to get away with it!)
Mitt Romney wants other candidates to impose religious tests upon who his endorsers are. Look at what Romney said Oct. 11, 2011: "I would call upon Gov. Perry to repudiate the sentiment and the remarks made by that pastor," Romney said... Mitt Romney asks Rick Perry to disavow pastor; Perry says no
We got Romney's message loud and clear: Perry isn't supposed to stand his ground. He is suppose to impose religious beliefs on everybody who endorses him. What utter nonsense! And this is the "presidential" candidate the GOP is putting forth???
This shows you exactly what kind of religious imposition the Mormons would impose on the nation! Even people who endorse other candidates will have their religious views "repudiated!" This is the Mormon theocratic wheels grinding into full gear!!!
(Keep in mind Jeffress, the Baptist pastor, made none of these statements while introducing Perry...they came afterward when he was asked a point-blank question by a reporter)
So where have the FREEPERS been in holding Romney accountable for his religious hypocrisy?
Note that the MSM utterly failed miserably to raise Romney's 2007 'Muslim' Cabinent comments as a "background" issue to the Jeffress comment.
Mormons themselves do the same thing in playing it both ways with religious identity politics. They will tell others not to take into consideration the religion of the candidate, and then 94% of them will vote for the Mormon candidate...like they did in Utah and Nevada. (Could you imagine the MSM uproar had 94% of Evangelicals voted for Huckabee in '08 campaign in say, Iowa, or Mississippi?)
Oh, way too many FREEPERS do this all the time. They say the "religion" of Romney isn't relevant...only when it comes to push and shove, they would join in the Romney Tabernacle choir and sing the Romney chorus in making the Muslim faith of candidates into consideration!
(It all depends on how relevant "relevancy" is...see, post-modernism even has struck FREEPERS!)
It’s the one thing Romney said in his whole life that I agree with.
I wouldn’t put a filthy stinking muzzie in the cabinet either.
Unless it was a locked cabinet. On a ship exiting a US port. And the muzzie had “Do Not Return To The US” stamped on his forehead.
Conflating Islam and Mormons is as easily made mistake. It is essential, in this Republic, that principles are what made possible America.
Islam is antithetical to America, and Islam is irreconcilable with America.
Islam holds that all must willingly submit to Islam, become the “slave of Allah”. Americans believe in htesovereignty of the individual, and thus do not do submission.
While Judeo-Christian faiths have their own beliefs which differ from other faiths, and while such beliefs are essential to those faiths, all such members can agree that they can support the Constitution of the USA.
Islam absolutely forbidden a Moslim to tolerate, much less accept, the US Constitution.
Therefore, a Moslim is, by definition, walking talking treason in that he is forbidden to accept the belief system defined by the US Constitution.
Mormons, on the other hand, are commanded to accept the Divine inspiration of the US Constitution. Therefore, much as I don’t like Mittens Romney, on theological and constitutional grounds he was correct to say he would not appoint a Moslim.
It happens to be one of the few things he has right.
If the three most Mormon heavy states (Utah, Idaho & Wyoming) decided every presidential election in the last 50 years, our county would be in great shape.
If the equivalent Muslim voters decided every presidential election in the last 50 years, our county would have been a third world sh*thole about 40 years ago.
Mittgotry on display!
Don't call me a cult...all the while we fund slamming Christians around the world on our Web site, in our books and curricula, in our messages, and in our heavily translated "scriptures." Why, even our 52,000 missionaries go around labeling Christians "apostates" all the time!
Title: A Primer of How Lds founder Joseph Smith Launched His Campaign of Open Bigotry vs. Worldwide Christianity, Engaging in Scorched-Earth Religious Politics
|Snapshot of Joseph Smiths Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects||Mormon Source [Most of these Mormon scriptures']|
|...which of all the sects was right must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG those professors were ALL CORRUPT ||Joseph Smith History vv.18-19. Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price|
|...which of all the sects was right ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN ||Joseph Smith History vv. 18-19. Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price|
|Mormon church the only Christ-sanctioned church on earth: the foundation of this [Mormon] church the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth [Obvious scorched earth implication: All other churches are false and dead]||Lds scripture Doctrines & Covenants 1:30|
|Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness."||Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not scripture but still publicly spoken by the Mormon living prophet and published by a later Mormon living prophet, Joseph Fielding Smith via a publisher owned by the Mormon church Deseret News Press, 1938]|
|In 1952 the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized [four topics, one of them being] the Apostasy and Restoration [This makes it almost 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 52,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as apostates (100% AWOL)]||Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 116, 1996|
Well, I’d say two things about this.
One, it just goes to show how much the press loves RINO Romney. If a real conservative had said this, they’d be on his case instantly for bigotry and never let up. In fact, they recently forced Cain to back off a bit on not appointing any Muslims. I hope and think Cain really meant it, but he couldn’t afford to be smeared with the usual bigotry charge by the left wing propagandists.
Two, although I think that the LDS is a false religion, they didn’t attack the World Trade Center. They are not our declared enemy. They don’t commit hundreds of suicide bombings every year. They would love to convert us, but they are not going around killing us—at least not since the nineteenth century, and even that might be said to have been a complicated business, not a jihad.
But Mormons are duplicious. Conversationally, Muslims won't shy away from deeming Christians as "infidels." Mormons, on the one hand (except for Mormon missionaries), allow their Web sites, publications, curricula, books & other sources to attack Christians as "apostates." Conversationally they attempt to convert Christians while usually shying away from unveiling what their "scriptures" teach about Christians.
What I'm saying is that Mormons tend to speak softly while carrying a big stick with the attack weapons they pay for with their wallets and purses.
It yields the false impression of how "nice" they are...saying one thing to your face and feeding the coffers of attacks with every 10% of their lifetime income going to the coffers of the Mormon church.
I’ll place the Mormon Church’s stands on moral issues and the family over Barack Obama’s any day of the week. But that doesn’t mean I like their theology or consider it credible.
It seems at the moment like the Evangelicals want to further the fracturing of the religious right coalition.
What’s going to happen to the issues you care about when the atheist libertarians are running the GOP without any contest?
So much for an assessment of their capabilities and character above and beyond what group they belong to or how they would look in a photo.
But Romney didn't say that he wouldn't put a Muslim in his cabinet because of their religious beliefs - but because they are not a sizable portion of the electorate.
In no way a fan of Romney but there is a HUGE difference here.
Regardless of what you personally think of Mormanism it has not declared war on Western Civilization and America. It is not responsible for murdering thousands of Christians in the past year. islam has..........
Oh, sure, I agree with that. Mormons typically say one thing among themselves and another when talking with outsiders. But at least they don’t go around stoning people, cutting off heads, or blowing up shopping centers, buses, and restaurants.
Well, the stats I've seen place Muslims below 1% of the population...but this one actually places them @ 1.5%:
Association of Religion Data Archives
If Muslims were indeed 1.5% (a big "IF")...
And Jews are @ 1.7% [both this link -- and one provided by Greyfoxx in July below list Jews @ 1.7%]...
...what's the big diff of 0.2%?
Or would Romney be anti-Semitic, too?
In fact this link provided by Greyfoxx (ask her where it came from) matches Mormons with Jews as each comprising 1.7%...hardly a "justification" argument per population that supports either your or Romney's argument.
Per 1.7%]... ...Mormons and Jews each constitute 1.7% of the U.S. population...
And Reaganaut points out that more so than most religious groups, Mormons tend to leave most of their inactives on their membership rolls, inflating their stats.
Therefore, perhaps Romney would be consistent and deny all Muslims, Mormons, and Jews to any Cabinet posts because, as you put it, at a combined 4% of the population for all three groups, "they are not a sizable portion of the electorate!"