[HarleyD]

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

[Judith Anne]

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[johngrace]

Ecc 9:5" For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. "

This was written before Christ but then how do we explain Matthew 27:

51 "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people."

54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

This certainly shows the "many holy people who had died were raised to life."

I would gather the dead in the first quote is talking about the spiritually dead not physical as Christ talks in the Gospels. You know when he states do not worry about the first death(human body dies) but the second death(spiritual death or going to Hell).

[johngrace]

Ecc 9:5" For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. "

This was written before Christ but then how do we explain Matthew 27:

51 "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people."

54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”

This certainly shows the "many holy people who had died were raised to life."

I would gather the dead in the first quote is talking about the spiritually dead not physical as Christ talks in the Gospels. You know when he states do not worry about the first death(human body dies) but the second death(spiritual death or going to Hell).

[Cronos]

Though Ecc 9 goes on to say

7.. for God now accepteth thy works

In fact,that verse 5 -- signifies that they 'know nothing more' as to the actions of this world unless it is revealed to them by the grace of God. They have no ability or power to secure their eternal state which is a grace from God and which they grew in during their lifetimes if they were saved. Those in final sanctification are in the process to heaven, being scrubbed clean of sin by the grace of God, by the blood of the Lamb