Posted on 11/03/2011 7:29:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
If we could just get some Mormons (keeping Mitt out of it of course) in here, this could top 1000
You really think they are going to admit that torture and death for heretics was a mistake?
It is unfortunate he posted this horrible slander.
That’s the hideous beauty of being your own independent State/Religious institution. You can have ambassadors and concordats with the political world whenever you choose. You can even have an observer’s seat at the U.N. And THEN you get to announce yourself as Christ’s Vicar on earth. They are BOTH a political and religious institution. Who Rev. 17 and 18 vividly describe.
Who's "we," and what "biblical form of Christianity" are you talking about?
Lots of anti-Catholic invective on this thread, and very little effort expended in actually coming to grips with the point of this thoughtful article from a thoughtful website.
So I have a question for you. Suppose, tomorrow morning, Pope Benedict woke up, slapped his forehead, and said, "Ach! I really AM ze Antichrist!" An announcement is made, to the effect that not joining the Reformation was a big mistake, and all Catholic churches, and presumably all Catholics, after a suitable period of transition, will be joining the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Of course that implies signing up to all doctrinal aspects of the OPC faith.
So here's my question. Do you think the Wisconsin Evangelical Synod Lutherans (as sternly conservative and rooted in the 16th C. group of Lutherans as OPC'ers are sternly conservative Calvinists) will join, also?
How about any of the really hardcore, violently anti-Catholic, "fundamental independent Baptist" churches? (You know, the folks who say they aren't Protestants, they're Baptists?) Will they join up with the now 1.2 billion strong OPC?
What about the conservative wing of the Mennonites and the other continental Anabaptist groups? Nobody can accuse them of liberalism, cultural, religious, or otherwise. Will they join?
Now do the same experiment with Rome joining the WELS instead of the OPC, and ask yourself if the OPC would join. For that matter, would even the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, also a sternly conservative Lutheran Church) join?
Notice I haven't even bothered to consider the über-liberal Protestant groups like the PCUSA, the ELCA, or Episcopalians.
Because that is what cults do. If they want you to pray to Mary or any mortal besides Jesus, then they are a cult.
Maybe the same day when Catholics drop the nonsense and become Christians?
Suppose Pope Benedict woke up tomorrow and said, “The Eucharist is NOT what we have been proclaiming. The Scriptures are correct. There was ONE OFFERING, ONE TIME, FOR ALL. We ARE saved by grace through faith. It is NOT of works, lest any man could boast. I am NOT infallible. Obviously. I shall make the truth known today and apologize to those who have been right all along. Beginning with God and His Word.” What would the “faithful” do about this?
Lots of anti-Catholic invective on this thread,
How Would Roman Catholics Know When to Return to Pure Doctrine and Sound Practice? That is the question.
“You really think they are going to admit that torture and death for heretics was a mistake?”
No I don’t really think that they will. If they did, it would mean that the Church is not infallible in matters of spiritual doctrine. So, they’re stuck in a theological Catch 22 of their own devising.
Still, that doesn’t mean we should stop demanding they confront the elephant in the room. They can ignore their own shortcomings all they want, but I’ll not enable them by being to polite to mention them.
So here's my question. Do you think the Wisconsin Evangelical Synod Lutherans (as sternly conservative and rooted in the 16th C. group of Lutherans as OPC'ers are sternly conservative Calvinists) will join, also?
How about any of the really hardcore, violently anti-Catholic, "fundamental independent Baptist" churches? (You know, the folks who say they aren't Protestants, they're Baptists?) Will they join up with the now 1.2 billion strong OPC?
What about the conservative wing of the Mennonites and the other continental Anabaptist groups? Nobody can accuse them of liberalism, cultural, religious, or otherwise. Will they join?
Now do the same experiment with Rome joining the WELS instead of the OPC, and ask yourself if the OPC would join. For that matter, would even the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, also a sternly conservative Lutheran Church) join?
Notice I haven't even bothered to consider the über-liberal Protestant groups like the PCUSA, the ELCA, or Episcopalians."
The leftover tendencies of Rome have you captivie, my FRiend. Join the same group that Paul joined.
Bwahahahaha! Post a Protestant-baiting thread on a site that is majority protestant and what do you expect, reasoned dialogue? Come on.
Amen, Boogieman.
Fur Shur Coligny was not a Waldensian ~ and had he not been assassinated I doubt he'd been closely involved with either formal Lutheran or Presbyterian movements. Given the fact even his family moved to Brittany, his likely affiliation would have ended up with either the Puritans or Pilgrims in the fashion of the English most concerned with such matters.
Back in France, the Huguenots won the war with Henry IV, but gradually lost their rights until in the end in the later part of Louis XIV's reign they simply had to flee from the place ~ and so ended the old Protestant traditions of France.
Spanish Protestantism took an entirely different tack. There the Protestants were as interested as Catholics in keeping former Moslems and former Jews on the straight and narrow since, in fact, there were a good number of such folks.
At the same time the settlement of America was taking place with Spain at the helm. In 1604 King Philippe II/III gave up that idea and gave Canada to the French and opened the Eastern Seaboard to European Protestants (and Jews) except for "the Dutch". The Spanish then focused on what they could handle in South America, Mexico and the Caribbean. The Spanish protestants, particularly the high church people, just disappeared into the broad mix in what later became the 13 English colonies.
Someday take a good look at the names on the "Liste of the Livinge and the Deade" in Jamestown about 1621 (I believe that's the date).
English surnames are not as common as you might think ~ there are people from every part of Europe ~ TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THEM. NONE WERE CATHOLIC.
Was it really?
I'll have to go check with the poster.......hang on a minute......that's me!.
So where exactly is the "slander" here?
OK, let's say we're crazy and we suddenly see sense and decide to "return to pure doctrine".
In which direction would you point us? No, don't say "the Bible". That simply kicks the can down the road. This is precisely the point which the article is making.
Can everyone just take a deep breath and actually think about this for a minute?
Why don’t you ask to have this deliberately provocative and insulting article taken down. Take a deep breath first.
I don’t understand any of the animosity between faiths. It’s all unfortunate.
Where exactly is the "slander" (your term) here?
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