Posted on 11/04/2011 12:06:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
all have sinned, including infants.
we have received the practice of baptizing infants from the Apostles, so of course i “support” it.
all Christians should “support” infant baptism.
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Well, then....
I was water baptized as an infant in the Catholic church, so by your reasoning I AM SAVED.
Period. End of story.
So, why am I, and other former Catholics, being so criticized for having confidence that we are going to heaven when we die?
Can you give scripture for that?
Now, wait a minute. You're not saying that Peter here told someone that they had the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were water baptized, are you?
Say it ain't so.
LOL Read that chapter and you even find out they were filled with the Spirit before being baptized with water.
does Acts 10:47 say “ that these should not be baptized” or does it say “that these should not be water baptized”
biblical Christian Baptism involves water, the Holy Spirit and the Church.
the Bible does not teach there is such a concept as “water” baptism, nor “spirit” baptism.
no, the Bible speaks of “baptism”
this is what Christians received from the Apostles and this is what Christians have believed for 2,000 years. The Bible and the Church only know “baptism”
you may be, i can’t judge you.
anyone who hates the Body of Christ on earth, the Church doesn’t love Jesus and obviously can’t be “in Christ”
anyone who knowingly spreads lies and accuses the Church of teachings which it does not hold ( worship of Mary, salvation by works, etc )is an enemy of Jesus Christ and can’t be “in Christ”
everyone needs to examine themselves to see if their faith is genuine or false.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are >b>sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
You missed being baptized into Christ.
Christians don’t play the “sola scriptura” game, we follow Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:15.
the Church is the evidence of this Apostolic teaching.
i didn’t miss anything, as i proved in post #20, the Scriptures teach that one of the results of baptism is being placed “in Christ”
does Paul ever use the term “spirit baptism”?
that is a yes or no question.
if yes, please provide chapter and verse.
anyone who hates the Body of Christ on earth, the Church doesn’t love Jesus and obviously can’t be “in Christ” anyone who knowingly spreads lies and accuses the Church of teachings which it does not hold ( worship of Mary, salvation by works, etc )is an enemy of Jesus Christ and can’t be “in Christ”
everyone needs to examine themselves to see if their faith is genuine or false.
Either baptism saves or it does not.
Why are you now putting conditions on it? What that says is that baptism DOESN'T save anyone. If it was baptism which saved, they'd be saved regardless of what they did or what they thought.
Infants baptized in the Catholic church are considered saved and they don't exercise any faith at all. They just lay there and sleep or cry as the case may be.
So if infants are considered saved by the act of baptism, it is the act itself which saves, independent of the faith of the individual, which the baby does not yet have.
So, in practice, the Catholic church teaches that baptism saves without the necessity of faith on the part of the individual.
"Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"
ἰδοὺ ὕδωρ, τί κωλύει με βαπτισθῆναι; Literally, "what hinders me from being dipped or immersed?" Dipped or immersed in what? ... What is the closest thing grammatically that the eunich can be dipped in? ... answer ... THE WATER!!!! Therefore water dipped, water immersed, water baptized. QED.
2. Acts 19 shows there is One Christian Baptism, the one commanded by Christ in Matthew 28 and the one that places us into Christ. Acts 19 shows us the baptism of John is not Christian baptism.
So now your own faulty logic has nullified your own argument at last ...
The Ephesians 4.5 passage says nothing about "Christian baptism" ... it says only baptism.
So, what traditions were those and how do you know?
Please cite sources to back up your contention.
That is whether they were taught by word of epistle. Not all had access to written material. Those scrolls were a little hard to duplicate on a moments notice when a new church was started or a new person was converted. The Catholic Church used that technique to deceive the people for many years. Thank God for the Gutenberg press right. That nonsense of decieving people because of no access to written word was over when printing presses came into being. Notice that coincided with the Reformation.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
How were you baptized into Christ? When? At what age?
Peter did.
1 Corinthians 6:11 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
it’s hard to believe those that claim to have been Catholic, actually were. the ignorance of the faith is too great, but then again, it’s probably that ignorance of the Faith that caused them to reject it.
read 1 Corinthians 15:1-2.
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