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Occult, occultist, occultism. Meanings ... why some churches consider occultism as something ZOT

Posted on 11/11/2011 2:47:13 PM PST by Love Wisdom Truth

Occult, occultist, occultism.

Occult meaning:
1. Of, relating to, or dealing with supernatural influences, agencies, or phenomena.
2. Beyond the realm of human comprehension; inscrutable.
3. Available only to the initiate; secret: occult lore. mysterious.
4. Hidden from view; concealed.

Why some churches consider occultism as something wrong/bad?

If there is something bad in occultism please show some evidence it is. Man made theories or hypothesis don't mean anything to me. As it is said “the tree is known by its fruits” so I would like to check the fruits, not someones theories or hypothesis that occultism is bad.

(I believe there are angels, and that there are supernatural powers, plus many other secrets in mother Nature to which access is not given just to anyone, but only to highly developed souls. Why? Because if access is given to us - the ordinary people to all those powers, we may use them to kill each other. If believing in all that makes one occultist, than I am an occultist. Jesus for example made out of 5 loafs of bread way much more to feed 5,000 people, He turned water into wine and etc..... IMO, He is one of the best occultists ever. Why, He didn't share that knowledge with everyone else??? There are some serious reasons for that, and the answer is: - We are not ready.)

Why occultism is bad for some (or most) churches? Thank you.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: occult; occultism; occultist
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

Because Christians walk in the light, rather than cower in darkness. If anything is true, good, loving and honest, it need not be occult. The occult is that which is secretive, for the initiates only, calling upon forces which are secretive, shameful or deceitful.


61 posted on 11/12/2011 6:20:02 AM PST by dangus
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To: skinkinthegrass

My pleasure. Charred trolls, our specialty.


62 posted on 11/12/2011 6:22:19 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: brent13a

Ah, you were there 2000 years ago, huh!?

So you take the word of a bunch of non-Christian scholars about who and what Jesus really was?

But the whole dispute is: Was Jesus really God, or just another itinerant Jewish preacher. If the second, maybe you are right. But the evidence seems to point another way to me. And if He was, and is, God, well your theory doesn’t hold water.


63 posted on 11/12/2011 8:01:47 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: 50mm

Using a Ouija board to freep has its hazards.


64 posted on 11/12/2011 8:14:58 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: rdl6989

You must be a prophet. “This account has been banned or suspended.”


65 posted on 11/12/2011 8:17:27 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
“If your right hand causes you to sin cut it off”! What did Jesus mean? Here is what Beinsa Douno Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:08:29 PM · 25 of 32 xone to Love Wisdom Truth zot Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies

As usual I was right yesterday.

66 posted on 11/12/2011 8:20:55 AM PST by xone
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To: ModelBreaker

Thanks. The da vince code theory is a lie. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/thedavincicode.html

And if the Catholic Church had wanted to change things and had the power, then it would not have been hard to add a text about praying to departed saints and other things which are now extrapolated out of texts.


67 posted on 11/12/2011 8:28:17 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth
You need to sit down with a pastor from a local Bible believing church to discuss this.
So many things in your question/statement that can't really be condensed here.
If you really want the knowledge; many people here would be more than willing to point to you to someone.
68 posted on 11/12/2011 8:40:57 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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69 posted on 11/12/2011 8:48:25 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: daniel1212
The da vince code theory is a lie.

Lie is such a harsh word. It is an 'entertainment'. That is why it was made into a movie.

Hollywood tries, every once in a while to put out the truth, but it is either ignored or rejected.

Since fame and fortune are the goals of Hollywood, attempting to stick to facts or 'truth' are a losing proposition.

Christianity has never been that 'popular', nor has Jesus, on a world-wide basis. The 'rules' (commandments) get in the way of things like lust and greed.

70 posted on 11/12/2011 8:57:45 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: 50mm; metmom; TheOldLady; darkwing104
I missed the zotting.


71 posted on 11/12/2011 12:11:01 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Love Wisdom Truth

Go ahead, follow the doctrines of Anton, see how many diseases you can catch in the shortest amount of time.


72 posted on 11/12/2011 1:21:24 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Godzilla

Don’t waste bandwith arguing with idiots, dear ‘zilla. HUGS and I’ve missed you!


73 posted on 11/18/2011 10:45:53 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: America always; Tennessee Nana; ejonesie22

Predicable perhaps, ignorant never. Mormonism is the epitome of occultism in religion. Been there, done that, got saved out of it.


74 posted on 11/18/2011 10:59:42 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut

I didn’t, tipped off the kitties and got the zot


75 posted on 11/20/2011 7:39:45 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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