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Illinois: Catholic Charities ends adoption-services appeal, will 'focus on being more Catholic'
CatholicCulture.org ^ | November 15, 2011 | Catholic World News

Posted on 11/17/2011 7:43:56 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

[No to Gay Adoption]

Three Illinois bishops have announced that they are ending their legal appeal against legislation requiring equal treatment for same-sex couples in adoption and foster-care services.

“It is with deep regret that we have decided to relinquish our appeals in the litigation concerning the provision of foster care and adoption services by Catholic Charities of the Dioceses of Joliet and Springfield in Illinois and by Catholic Social Services of Southern Illinois in the Diocese of Belleville,” the bishops of the three dioceses said in a joint statement.

“This lawsuit had sought clarification as to whether the Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Unions Act passed at the end of last year protected the freedom of faith-based agencies to provide foster care and adoption services in accord with their religious beliefs.”

“The decision not to pursue further appeals was reached with great reluctance, but was necessitated by the fact that the State of Illinois has made it financially impossible for our agencies to continue to provide these services and the courts have refused to grant a stay for these operations to continue while further appeals are pending,” the bishops continued

“Since we now need to close offices and lay off employees, further appeals would be moot.”

“Because the State of Illinois has put an expedited process in place to transition to other agencies the foster children under the Charities’ care, any relief ordered by the Appellate Court would come too late to save the Charities’ foster care ministry,” the Thomas More Society, which represented Catholic Charities, stated in a press release announcing the end of the litigation. “Both the Circuit and Appellate Courts denied the Charities’ emergency motions to prevent the transition.”

“The silver lining of this decision is that our Catholic Charities going forward will be able to focus on being more Catholic and more charitable, while less dependent on government funding and less encumbered by intrusive state policies,” said Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Springfield.



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To: Thane_Banquo

So am I, but these issues affect all churches’ ministries vis a vis the ever controlling state. If they come for the Catholics and you don’t speak up, next they’ll come for the Lutherans and Baptists.


21 posted on 11/17/2011 12:01:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Mrs. Don-o
... or did Ill Noise presume to tell the Roman Catholic church how to do its own private adoption operations, ordering it to give them the full gay treatment?

That's a good question.

I don't have any experience with adoption, but it seems as if domestic adoptions, and particularly foster care, are very much under the control of the government. Children in foster care are usually seized by the county or state because of abuse or neglect (or what the government considers abuse or neglect).

Regarding adoptions other than through the foster-home system, I don't know to what extent it's possible to make a completely private adoption placement.

22 posted on 11/17/2011 1:59:11 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
As I understand it, with the Illinois case the initial question was about the money: can the state cut off funds when an agency does not treat gay couples equally? But the appeals process was bringing in the assertion that the state MUST affirmatively PREVENT such discrimination across the board --- whether there's funding involved or not. It was at that point that the bishops decided to stop the process. They didn't want the courts to set an even more extreme precedent.

Right now the pervs are going for coast-to-coast coercive: Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand's "Every Child Deserves a Family" Bill. It would make it ILLEGAL for a foster care or adoption agency ANYWHERE IN THE USA to "discriminate against" gay adoptive couples.

Comin' at us like a freight train.

23 posted on 11/17/2011 2:42:03 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Keeping an eye on this one.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Right now the pervs are going for coast-to-coast coercive

Not a surprise, given the actions of HHS. I hope the Bishops are reading the New Testament "for comprehension," because it's going to get really ugly.

24 posted on 11/17/2011 3:23:15 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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To: Tax-chick

They can bring it on. The church will just raise up more saints to stand up for her teachings.


25 posted on 11/17/2011 7:58:19 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is just the beginning of Catholic institutions shunning federal funds. When Obamacare is in full implementation, they will use those funds to try to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions and other medical procedures that are contrary to Catholic beliefs.


27 posted on 11/17/2011 8:29:36 PM PST by Jvette
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An excellent article and comment by Jeff Mirus quoted by Mrs. Don-o. Well worth reading for Catholics and non-Catholics alike. I especially like this part:

One final thought: When people rely primarily on the State for their needs, they become increasingly dependent on the State. A cycle of dependency is perpetuated and seldom escaped through State programs. Yet such programs invariably increase the power of the State in a way which reduces the influence of other institutions which make for a more vibrant social order. By contrast, when a person’s extraordinary needs are met with charity, there will generally be a natural progression of assistance which addresses the root causes of the visible misfortune. People can get “back on their feet”, and then they often become new agents of charity in their own right.

Through this process, the intermediary institutions which provide such sacrificial service gain stature in the minds and hearts of those they serve, attracting others to the same values and service. A whole tapestry of good habits, and organizations which foster them, will emerge to enrich the social order. People will be able to find their place in communities of genuine concern which affirm their dignity and worth. The State, with its frequently corrosive impact on initiative and self-reliance, will shrink as society grows healthier in this way.

My only small disagreement would be that it is the duty of the state to take care of the needy. I see nothing unconstitutional for states or counties or local communities to enact some sort of help for the needy if they desire, but not the federal government. The best help is private charity, as explained so well above. And cutting off the umbilical cord to the fedgov monies gives great freedom. States should do it, too!

28 posted on 11/17/2011 8:39:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A freight train laden with irony, because this would scare a lot of traditional families out of the idea of adopting.


29 posted on 11/17/2011 8:42:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That’s bad news.


30 posted on 11/17/2011 8:46:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“WE WILL SUPPORT CATHOLIC CHARITIES.”

For sure! We’ll do it ourselves. We found out what happens when we get “help” from the govt. - they try to control us.


31 posted on 11/17/2011 9:05:08 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“The silver lining of this decision is that our Catholic Charities going forward will be able to focus on being more Catholic and more charitable, while less dependent on government funding and less encumbered by intrusive state policies,” said Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Springfield.

Except that charity work has ALWAYS been the responsibility of the individual believer and the church. I don't see anywhere in Scripture that it is supposed to be farmed out to or funded by the government.

The government is singularly incapable of showing the love of Christ, which is what all the charity and good works are meant to do.

If the church (and by this I mean ANY church) were doing the work it was supposed to, then there wouldn't be any need for government handouts. But when it let the government take over, it abdicated its responsibility before God and will have to answer for it. Handing the job off is not doing it yourself.

32 posted on 11/17/2011 9:11:06 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Was this a matter of merely having to use Caesar’s dime the way Caesar said, or did Ill Noise presume to tell the Roman Catholic church how to do its own private adoption operations, ordering it to give them the full gay treatment?"

As I understand it from a friend who lives in Ill, both. Not only was the State telling the Church how to spend monies it received from State and Federal grants, it was also demanding compliance even if there were no government many of any sort involved. Otherwise they wouldn't grant the licenses and certifications required to operate an adoption service or child care related charity.

My friend has heard that the groups behind this maneuver next want to refuse all Catholic schools the right to operate unless they agree to teach that abortion and aberrant sexual behaviors are not immoral but just secular matters. We'll see if they go that far yet or not, but after the 2012 elections I expect Illinois to try very hard to eliminate Catholic schools within the state.

33 posted on 11/17/2011 9:45:20 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

AMEN! Your Excellency. The state will come after you, anyway, and try to intrude, but if you are not taking their money you are in a stronger position. Concentrate on evangelization and taking care of Catholics first.


34 posted on 11/17/2011 10:43:06 PM PST by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: metmom
If the church (and by this I mean ANY church) were doing the work it was supposed to, then there wouldn't be any need for government handouts.

I disagree. The government welfare system was not initiated because there was a need, but because there was a desire on the part of ideologues to take charitable works out of private hands. This was done intentionally both in the United States and in England.

35 posted on 11/18/2011 4:20:06 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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To: BenKenobi
They can bring it on. The church will just raise up more saints to stand up for her teachings.

I agree. That's the way it has always been.

36 posted on 11/18/2011 4:21:23 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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To: metmom

To elaborate (now that I’ve made some yelling byo go away ... was that Pat again?), look at the government takeover of education. It didn’t happen because people weren’t being educated: large parts of the United States had near 100% literacy through private-pay or private-charity education.

Ideologues orchestrated the government takeover for power and control, over the massive objections of the general public.


37 posted on 11/18/2011 4:31:21 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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To: little jeremiah

I’m reminded of what Crockett once said.

It’s not yours to give.

http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html";


38 posted on 11/18/2011 4:35:02 AM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Tax-chick

I see your point.

And the government did make it harder for churches to continue their charity work by regulating it, IIRC.


39 posted on 11/18/2011 6:13:20 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
government did make it harder for churches to continue their charity work

Yes, things like needing a commercial kitchen to cook for the homeless, or requiring hotel standards for a shelter. Then there are these "anti-discrimination" rules, which made it hard for church organizations to employ their co-religionists, and led to many of the issues now arising with homosexuals.

40 posted on 11/18/2011 6:31:12 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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