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“Well Actually, He’s Not Talking to You.” Answering One Critique...New Translation [Catholic Caucus]
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | November 28, 2011 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 11/29/2011 4:01:37 PM PST by Salvation

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The Collect, Prayer over the Gifts and Closing Prayer are all addressed to God.

Other prayers, too!

1 posted on 11/29/2011 4:01:48 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Salvation

I really liked the Solemn Blessing at the end of Mass - which, unfortunately, almost no priest said this past Sunday!

May the almighty and merciful God,
by whose grace you have placed your faith
in the First Coming of his Only Begotten Son
and yearn for his coming again,
sanctify you by the radiance of Christ’s Advent
and enrich you with his blessing.
Amen.

As you run the race of this present life,
may he make you firm in faith,
joyful in hope and active in charity.
Amen

So that, rejoicing now with devotion
at the Redeemer’s coming in the flesh,
you may be endowed with the rich reward of eternal life when he comes again in majesty.
Amen.

(I think’s that’s the whole text).


2 posted on 11/29/2011 4:15:16 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Salvation

And God forbid we understand what it is we are praying,,,,


3 posted on 11/29/2011 4:22:47 PM PST by Craftmore
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To: vladimir998

Our priest did not do the solemn blessing after the First Sunday of Advent Mass, but he always does it on solemnities.


4 posted on 11/29/2011 4:24:16 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

More on the translations ping!


5 posted on 11/29/2011 4:26:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Craftmore
See Dick run.

Run, Dick! Run!

6 posted on 11/29/2011 4:36:34 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

LOL!


7 posted on 11/29/2011 4:40:31 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Craftmore

Did you just recently join the Catholic church? I mean, after you realized the snide comments you’ve made about the Catholics and The Church were wrong - did you join?

Otherwise, I don’t know why you are commenting within a Catholic Caucus thread.


8 posted on 11/29/2011 4:42:14 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: Salvation
He is not directing the prayer to you, and the first purpose of the prayer is not that you understand it perfectly.

Amen. I may not understand every word the Priest says or fully understand the meaning of each word, but like the faith of a child, the beauty of the prayer is all I need to become strengthened by God's Presence.

9 posted on 11/29/2011 4:46:36 PM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Salvation

I think one could make an additional argument. Although it’s far from being the primary purpose of going to Mass, it won’t hurt if it makes the congregation sit up and think a little, instead of dumbing them down.

How do you learn to understand more complex sentences? By reading them and listening to them. If more people read old-fashioned books to their kids, instead of letting them watch Sesame street, it might make them more capable of real thought, as well as appreciating good books when they get older.


10 posted on 11/29/2011 5:01:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Oh, Oh. Look, Look!!

LOL ....

11 posted on 11/29/2011 5:02:22 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Salvation
The just abrogated translation of 1970 . . .

This hermeneutic of discontinuity I like.

12 posted on 11/29/2011 5:10:04 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Cicero

**How do you learn to understand more complex sentences? By reading them and listening to them. **

Reminds me of the English lit classes I took with Chaucer, Shakespear, et al.


13 posted on 11/29/2011 5:12:09 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Craftmore

“And God forbid we understand what it is we are praying”

So take a minute and 43 seconds and learn it. It’s not like they’re asking us to get a Ph.D. in particle physics.

Introducing the vernacular was a *disaster.*


14 posted on 11/29/2011 5:12:31 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: vladimir998

The friar who did the 9:00 Mass at our parish used the long form. I liked it too.

And as far as not understanding complex sentences goes, we can’t dumb down our language, liturgical or everyday, to the lowest common denominator. Some thoughts are complex. To simplify the language is to change the thought it represents.


15 posted on 11/29/2011 5:14:27 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Oratam

It is right and just.


16 posted on 11/29/2011 5:20:49 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Craftmore
God forbid, rather, that we dumb down what we say to God so that the inattentive or those incapable of holding a complex thought in their heads feel like they get it.

Shall we take out all music to suit the deaf and all visual beauty to suit the blind? Shall we reduce the epistles of Paul to the syntax of the Simpsons?

You saw the prayer cited:

Keep us alert,
we pray, O Lord our God,
as we await the advent of Christ your Son,
so that,
when he comes and knocks,
he may find us watchful in prayer and exultant in his praise.

For whom but the inattentive is that too hard to understand? And if they cannot attend to elegance of language, why should we think they will make the required effort even if it is broken in to simple sentences?

How long have you been a Catholic by the way?

17 posted on 11/29/2011 5:21:54 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Salvation

I like the new translations! While our Church did very little to prepare, implementing the translations last Sunday, we did introduce new music with the correct wording over a month ago. Yes mistakes were made, both by the congregation and the priest, but I found it to be a somewhat bonding experience, as we all tried to learn the new words together.

They placed very nice laminated cards in the pews for people to use until they get to know the new words. I have no memory of the Mass in Latin, so I’m looking forward to all the new texts as the come over the next months, listening for the differences, helping me to pay closer attention!


18 posted on 11/29/2011 5:47:55 PM PST by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: dsc

i honestly found particle physics to be easier.

Maybe I just don’t have a mind for words and stuff. And the rest of it.


19 posted on 11/29/2011 7:00:39 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: warsaw44

didja find an interloper?


20 posted on 11/29/2011 7:04:03 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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