Posted on 11/30/2011 11:38:02 AM PST by ReformationFan
You know this? How?
“I thought trinitarians believed that the Son is the ‘second person’ of the trinity. Did the the coequal, coeternal Holy Ghost get moved up to second place? If so, on which lap?”
You are correct, the Bible talks about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so normatively Jesus is described as the second Person of the Trinity.
I just realized that you’re psychotic.
This is my last post to you.
I don't believe you are aware of any of the outcomes or benefits of Scripture. If you were, your attitude (and tagline) would be a bit different.
You have previously referenced your 'politeness'. I'd have to say your politeness reminds me of the politeness of the serpent in Genesis 3. Well mannered, and full of questions. But behind the mask: insincerity, and a desire to denigrate God.
You obviously aren't the serpent, but at this time you are playing on the same team. And as our first parents should not have engaged in a conversation with a mocker, I'll also disengage from your '20 question' games.
‘Actually not—if you are at all familiar with the biblical arguments against female ordination. Those are based primarily not simply on the fact that the primary leaders Jesus trained and ordained, the Apostles, were men—but, over the fact that specific qualifications are listed (which refer only to men), more than once, in the New Testament epistles—making clear there were no female elders (pastors/priests) allowed in the Apostolic-era 1st Century Church.
‘Orthodox Christianity has always said that if you cannot find biblical warrant for a change in practice or theology of the Church, then you cannot find a good reason at all to change. This is why “innovation” in theology and practice is a dirty word in orthodox Christian circles.
‘I don’t believe the author of this article is commenting on how homosexuality is being treated politically or socially in modern America—rather he’s only replying to the utterly ridiculous, a-historical claim—often made in religious circles—that Jesus would of approved of homosexual activity—since there’s no record He specifically spoke about it.
‘The author didn’t mention it, but 1st Century Judaism (like orthodox Judaism of all centuries, actually) was appalled at the rampant sexual perversion promoted and found in the Gentile world of its day.... If Jesus had deviated from that Jewish standard there is no question he would of been pilloried for it—by those who pushed for His death, and He never was... Neither were Christians later accused of being sexually permissive...by rivals who hated them. That’s not an argument from silence, rather a logical deduction.
‘If the Bible is a unified whole—as Christianity has always taught—than one would expect Jesus to be in accord with Old Testament sexual ethics....and subsequently that the Apostles would also be in accord with Jesus and those same OT sexual ethics. This is what one finds—if you have, as Jesus put it, “the ears to hear.” ‘
Excellent post, AnalogReigns! The idea of marriage being anything other than being between a man and a woman(although polygyny was practiced by many in that time) or that sexual practices outside that relationship would have been given official countenance and sanction by either Jewish priests or the first century Christian church at that time is an absurd anachronism. Such a thing would have been utterly unthinkable and untenable.
Your comment suggests that God made Job suffer. That is not what happened, according to the text.
Convenient
“So why do you think God creates those He knows will sin?”
I answered that - because He loves us. We do Not deserve it, yet He does. We reject Him, QUESTION Him, curse Him, Hate Him, and yet He loves us.
Why would He create us? He loves us. An even bigger question, why would He send HIS Son here knowing, KNOWING that Jesus would not only die here but be tortured and KILLED here.
Because He loves us.
He loves us enough to creatae us knowing we will stray. He loves us enough to create a way, through His Son for us to return to Him.
Amen and Amen!!
When you really understand Job, it a most comforting book. Our comfort does not lie in anything or anyone or any circumstance. It lies solely on the fact that God is a covenant keeping God who loves us and only allows things to happen to us for His glory in our lives - which is really our true joy. God revealed that to Job, and as you said, Job was satisfied. We should be too.
Mark for later.
I don't see why so many Christians get all tied up with the old Law. Do you stone your children if they ever talk back to you? Do you eat kosher? Even if you answer yes, do you perform animal sacrifices to atone for your sins? Let me tell you, you would be wasting your time, sacrifices were supposed to be offered at the temple, and the temple only.
Convenient? Depends on what you mean by that!
BTW, we have got away from the topic of the thread, which is homosexuality. Just because we don't live under the law it doesn't mean the Lord does not care any longer. The New Testament validates what the Old Testament says about homosexuality.
Didn’t you mean psychic, ‘cause that must be the way you figured out my intentions and reason for being here, right?
You’re psychic too?
So then why create billions of Muslims and non-Christians over the years? When He breathes life into them, He knows they won’t be saved, right?
You know what I mean, but you choose to twist it.
I was, and all are, born a non-Christian. Yet, when presented with the Gospel, I saw. Others do also. And some others do not. God gives us all life, we decide whether to return to Him or not. He’ll honor that decision. Yes, or no.
IMHO, you are even worse off than those you enjoy pointing out that ‘won’t’ be saved. You live in this country and enjoy the blessings He has given us. And you have obviously heard lots of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Two strikes if you will.
Yet, you still sit there and throw out your sophic ‘Why’ questions. You play the part of ‘seeking’ answers except you do not seek. You seem to want to disrupt or sow doubt and seem to enjoy doing it.
I suggest you get yourself under some good Biblical preaching and read your Bible (if you have one). All the answers to all you need to know about God, His Son, a persons options for salvation or not, are there.
Simple. For His Glory. The Creator is under no obligation to explain or justify Himself to His creatures.
BTW, how do you know your god is a he?
I’ve never pointed out that anyone would or wouldn’t be saved, as I don’t believe in a need for salvation.
What exactly, is wrong with asking someone why or what they believe in?
I will reiterate...I am not asking God any questions as to why or what He does. I am asking people why or what they believe. If you cannot see the difference, say so, and I will not ask you anymore, at least on this thread. I don’t know about future threads, as I don’t remember all the people I respond to. If I do, just remind me that you do not know the difference, and I’ll probably remember you.
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