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To: MHGinTN

MHGinTN wrote:
“Ask a more cogent question regarding the tpoic of discussion (the IC).”

My question is far more cogent than, apparently, you think. First, let me say that what you said in brackets after the above sentence, I have no problem with. Second, I too, do not consider the “immaculate conception” to be Scriptural doctrine. It is not taught in the Scriptures clearly, plainly, and unambiguously. Therefore, it cannot be taken as Christian doctrine. Third, I find the reasons that you cite for not accepting the doctrine of the immaculate conception not only to be different than my reasons, but actually more problematic, and less faithful to the Scriptures than that you are trying to refute.


82 posted on 12/08/2011 11:36:19 AM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Belteshazzar
So post your biblical reasons and we'll discuss them. If you wish to have a more indepth explanation of my reasons, ask. I'm not a shrinking violet, and I've spent decades contemplating these issues, without shaking my faith in the slightest. In fact, the more I learn of the way God made this Universe and how it operates, the more my faith is strengthened.

I'll give something to start the discussion:

God conceived Adam with, as far as Biblical inforamtion we have, with no mother so no womb to gestate Adam, biologically speaking. Does this mean that God created Adam fully already a young man, or does it mean that the particulars of Adam's biology are not the significant part of the data God wants us to focus upon? We do not know based upon Biblical 'proofs', so some speculate that 'formed Adam from the dust of the ground' means soemthing other than over eons of evolutionary processes.

Is it possible that God selected Adam from the race of humankind and Adam had no spirit component but was biologically gestated and born in the biological sense and at some time later God breathed a spirit into Adam and he became a living soul (a soul with a spirit and thus spiritual life)? Jesus gave us clues regarding this distinction of alive and spiritually dead. Ought we apply these lessons to the scene offered in Genesis?


85 posted on 12/08/2011 11:51:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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