And he doesn't just say it, he proves it by documenting it.
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Posted on 12/12/2011 7:10:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
And he doesn't just say it, he proves it by documenting it.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
Don’t forget us Melkites?
Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us!
Qud’dousunal’laah, qud’dousunulqawi, qud’dousunul’lathi laa yamout, irHamna
So what about the Orthodox Churches, are they secretly Muslim too?
Are the Copts in Egypt really just closet Muslims as well, or do Eastern Christians not even fit into the picture because of the inconvenience they provide in this flawed narrative?
That is true there are many very unchristian people who sam to think they have the ticket to heaven and this is part of it...I think they will be very surprised at how wrong they were about what they do.
That is true there are many very unchristian people who seem to think they have the ticket to heaven and this is part of it...I think they will be very surprised at how wrong they were about what they do.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
O.K., I'll take JP II and you get Martin Luther, and I'll throw in Calvin...you still lose. In matters of faith and morals, JP II is infallible. You don't have to agree with him, but to challenge what he said is inane.
Are you talking about "gods" (i.e., including false gods) or real ones?
There is only one real one. See Isaiah chs 43-45, where it's stated quite clearly that there's only one real God ... about 6 or 8 separate times. Hard to know what the Scriptures could say to make that more clear.
BTW, Nostra Aetate never uses the term "the same God" to describe what Muslims and Catholics worship. That's an interpolation people have added to the text, but the text itself doesn't use those words.
Presumably we can agree that Protestants worship the one God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; an uncreated, eternal being who made all things ex nihilo.
We can also agree that Catholics claim to worship the same being.
And we can also agree that Muslims make the same claim about the being they worship.
I don't think Nostra Aetate really intended to posit anything more than that. Nor can it, really, because it can't teach Muslim doctrine infallibly, even if it could teach Catholic doctrine infallibly (some Catholics would dispute that as well).
It's also a matter of record that Catholicism is a Trinitarian faith, and Islam regards the Trinity as blasphemy (setting aside the awkward fact that their "holy" book which came straight from "God" can't even get the definition of the Trinity right).
The best that can be said about Nostra Aetate is that it is ambiguous in suggesting heresy.
right on! bro
The god that the Muslims call god, or Allah, is not described at all in the same way The Christian, Jewish God is and therefore is not our God whether they call it god or not does not make the difference. It is rather if what they call god is in essence God. In essence their god is Satan.
As the verse below shows you, just because someone calls themselves or others call someone Christ does not make it so. The same principle holds with the Muslims calling their supposed god, Allah. The name Allah is not what makes one The Almighty God. Also in the Bible God is referred to as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob repeatedly, not just as the God of Abraham alone. This is for the reason of properly distinguishing The True and Living God for who He really is.
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Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(The Maronite Liturgy is actually that of the Antiochene rite, which, according to tradition dating to at least as early as the third century, was written by St. James the Disciple, first bishop of Antioch.)
Try reading this: http://www.equip.org/articles/allah-does-not-belong-to-islam :
Arabic-speaking Coptic, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Maronite, evangelical, and Reformed Christians worship Allah, which is simply the word or term for God in another language. Islam does not hold a copyright to the term. In fact, Arab Christians existed before Islam appeared on the scene. Christians who worship Allah number in the millions, and their biblical version of Allah differs from the Qur’anic version. To demean or demonize the word for God in another language does a great disservice to believers who speak that language. Opportunities to win a hearing or dialogue between Christians and Arabic-speaking Muslims vis-à-vis Jesus Christ are also minimized.
It is time for all of us, especially Christians, to exercise caution when it comes to attacking the term for God in a language foreign to most of us. No other term exists in Arabic for the God Christians claim to be the one, true God. Western Christians do not normally use Hebrew terms for God in their languages. They cannot expect Arab Christians to use any other term or word for theirs. Allah is equivalent to the English God, the French Dieu, or the Spanish Dios... To say rather that the Muslim concept of Allah differs from the Christian concept of Allah, in my opinion, would be helpful...
...Perhaps we could better understand this error if we translate some of these judgments and criticisms into English. For example, some Christians might say, “God is not the God of the Bible.” They also might say, “God is a demonic force causing murder,” and so on. How can Christians then proclaim Christ to people who know of God by that term?
Gibberish from snake handlers and tongue speakers.
if you have a picture of a child with its mother...do they age in the picture with time....probably not. Also, the pictures of Christ and His mother were painted by artists...many very famous, who painted what they percieved to be the Christ child and His mom. No Catholic "worships" Mary, but unlike protestants, we also do not ignore her.
That's an incredibly ignorant and wrong statement.
Every practicing Catholic, everywhere in the world, recites at every Sunday Mass, and is bound to believe, the Nicene Creed. Practically every word of the Nicene Creed after the first phrase ("I believe in one God") is erroneous according to Islam, and most of it is considered flatly blasphemous.
If I'm a Muslim, I live in a permanent state of blasphemy and really ought to be stoned and/or beheaded.
Oh, BTW, Mohammed wasn't a prophet of God. Stone me some more.
Still think Catholicism and Islam are the same?
Because he was a baby in the arms of a full grown Mary at one point in time. Because the Incarnation is utterly real, utterly a fact of history, over and against all of those heretics who would like to deny it.
Great article and spot on! Thanks for posting RnMomof7.
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