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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
No, my answer is not ambiguous.

The bible says we are 'saved' by many elements that are all tied together and can't be isolated.

1 Peter 3:21 Baptism now saves you

Romans 10:10 Confession saves you

Ephesians 2:8 Grace saves you

and so on.

Each of these elements are part of the package deal.

189 posted on 12/19/2011 6:01:45 AM PST by JOAT
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To: JOAT
No, my answer is not ambiguous..

Ambiguous as this...

Do you or or do you not beat your wife?

“Yes”.

See how silly your answer is?

***The bible says we are ‘saved’ by many elements that are all tied together and can't be isolated.****

I am very much aware of the CoC trying to find all the verses and have put them in a step format.

What must I do to be saved?
1. Do this..
2. Do that.
3. Do this over here.
4.Do that over there

It is not enough for you to do what Paul (who was NOT sent to baptize) and Silas said to the jailer..

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

No step 1, step 2, and so on for Paul.

And Peter, who said...

Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

Again no Step 1, step 2.

And Peter's defense...
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

And John..

Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:

And Paul again..

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Now if baptism in water was that important the Apostles would have reinterated it at every opportunity.

When Paul speaks of being “baptized into Christ” he is not speaking of water but our identification with Christ when our sins were hanged on the Cross with Christ. It is as if we were the ones crucified.

When Peter speaks of baptism in Peter 3:21, he is referring to the ARK as a type or figure of Christ (the like figure) when Noah entered into it. The same as we have been placed into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

The evil generations were the ones who got baptized by immersion with water washing them away. Water baptism merely identifes the person being baptzed as a follower of Christ, as the 12 from Alexandria.

193 posted on 12/19/2011 8:17:54 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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