Marriages dissolved, sexual relationships banned among FLDS faithful

KSL.com ^ | December 30, 2011 | John Hollenhorst

[Zakeet]

As the year comes to an end and the followers of Warren Jeffs await the apocalypse he has predicted, they're living under a challenging edict: they're forbidden to have sex until Jeffs is sprung from a Texas prison.

"He has predicted that the walls in the prison where he's at will fall and crumble," said Joni Holm, who has many relatives in the polygamous FLDS faith.

According to Holm, Fundamentalist LDS Church members also face their faith's most severe punishment, excommunication, if they conceive a child.

It's one of the strangest edicts in a season full of them. Jeffs has issued a stream of revelations, prophecies and orders to his congregation in the border community of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz.

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According to Holm, Jeffs declared all existing marriages to be void.

"Right now they have all been told that they are not to live as husband and wife," Holm said. "They can live in the same house, but they are not to have sexual relationships until Warren comes out and 're-seals' them."

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If FLDS members have sex on the sly, any resulting children will be considered "sons of perdition," according to Holm's brother-in-law, and the parents will be instantly excommunicated.

The sex ban will be lifted only if Jeffs' latest prophecy comes true: an apocalypse that will bring down the prison walls and broil the human race.

"They believe that they'll still roam on the Earth," Holm said, "but the rest of us will be burned."

[patriot08]

Notice how much this ‘religion’ resembles Islam in the way they treat women?

[nfldgirl]

Showing my ignorance here, but what is that and where is it? Thanks!

[Elsie]

Marriages dissolved, sexual relationships banned among FLDS faithful

Well THAT just sucks!!!

No... Wait...

[Elsie]

It's one of the strangest HELLISH! edicts in a season full of them.

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1 Corinthians 7:3-6

 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.

 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 

 I say this as a concession, not as a command.

[Elsie]

Holms = Rehoboam II

[Elsie]

Good one!

[Elsie]

Please explain to us the difference.

Flds folks still obey the MOMRMON scriptures found in Doctrines & Covenants 132.

Salt LAke City 'mormons' don't.

[Elsie]

A preposition is something you do NOT end a sentence with!

[Scoutmaster]

Milt's father was born in a polygamous LDS colony in Mexico. Please explain to us the difference.

For anyone who may want to question 2ndDivisionVet, he's right.

Mitt's father, George W. Romney was born in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico, on July 8, 1907, to Gaskell Romney and Anna Amelia Pratt. Gaskell Romney wasn't a polygamist, but he was involved in the great card-shuffling as a result of the LDS concerns over U.S. government enforcement over the existing federal prohibition of polygamy. Gasket was born in St. George, Washington, Utah to Miles Park Romney and Hannah Hood Hill, one of his five wives.

They fled to a LDS polygamous compound in Mexico in 1884 and returned to the U.S. in 1912 due to the Mexican Revolution.

How did we get the fLDS and all of these other polygamous groups? First, the LDS church taught that polygamy was necessary for exaltation and to enter the Celestial Kingdom. That doctrine has never been removed from Doctrines & Covenants 132. Men may still be sealed in the Temple to more than two wives "for Eternity." The teachings have never been formally denied or refuted.

Second, although Smith taught polygamy as early as 1831 an practiced it by 1835 or earlier, and taught it to church leaders, it wasn't announced to members until 1852. This was and it still justified to LDS members on the grounds that God told Smith that the world was not ready for it and (and Apostle Dallin Oaks famously spoke about) Smith needed to protect the church). Smith publicly denied being a polygamist and he disclosure of his polygamy by the Nauvoo Expositor, and Smith's ordered destruction of it, led to his death.

When the U.S. government made the LDS church and Utah abandon polygamy in 1890 for the Utah statehood, Prophet Wilford Woodruff issued the 1890 Manifesto 'banning' polygam. However, only three Apostles approved it. Post-manifesto Woodruff took another wife, as did other Apostles. Woodruff and the Quorum of twelve participated in and approved polygamous marriages in America, Canada, Mexico and around the world.

After the Reed Smoot hearings, when the U.S. Senate refused to seat Utah Senator Smoot, the LDS church's deceptions were made public and the 1904 Manifesto was issued. However, existing polygamous families were not broken up and were allowed to live in peace until they aged out of existence in the 1950s and 1960s (which was the only humane thing to do). Only polygamists who caused trouble for the church were excommunicated.

Fundamentalists Mormons who didn't believe that the church should give into the government, who knew that the church had on more than one occasion justified continuing the practice while denying it publicly and to the government, didn't think that the church could keep the doctrine as part of the LDS gospel but have the authority to put man's views over God's.

So they continued to practice polygamy under their own charismatic leaders.

That's a Readers' Digest version. But the groups split off because they believed in Mormon scripture, and believed that if it had been okay to adhere to God's word before rather than man's, it was okay to keep doing it.

So we ended up with groups like these (most of them polygamist and some of which are defunct):

Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Centennial Park
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven
Blackmore/Bountiful Community
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Aaronic Order
Zion's Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zion's Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halley's Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ "With the Elijah Message" (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)
Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Alston Church
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite)
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lamb’s Wife
Congregation of Jehovah’s Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)

[Elsie]

I tried to find a shot of his secret alter bed where he would rape his child brides and they don’t exist anymore.

Perhaps it was your spelling...

https://www.google.com/search?q=secret+alter+bed+flds&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=2AX_TrbyKtC4twe90OCJCQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643#hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-ContextMenu&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=secret+altar+bed+flds&oq=secret+altar+bed+flds&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=10372l10826l0l13462l2l2l0l0l0l0l199l383l0.2l2l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=35059e8624455406&biw=1366&bih=643

[Elsie]

Perhaps the Romney bots know where they went?

I REALLY doubt that they care...

http://newsroom.lds.org/article/church-seeks-to-address-public-confusion-over-texas-polygamy-group

[Elsie]

At LEAST I saw this beFORE breakfast!

[Elsie]

Jeffs reportedly empowered himself to “reassign” wives and children outside their natural families.

He designated which men would get which girls and preserved a bed inside an altar where marriages were consummated.

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20110812-editorial-warren-jeffs-conviction-ends-a-sordid-tale-of-perversion.ece

[Elsie]

First, the LDS church taught that polygamy was necessary for exaltation and to enter the Celestial Kingdom.

That's saying it lightly!

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"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

[jjotto]

Ending a sentence with a preposition is a practice up with I will not put!

[metmom]

1 Timothy 4 1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

[Scoutmaster]

Showing my ignorance here, but what is that and where is it? Thanks!

Jeffs is the "prophet" of a fundamentalist sect that split off from the mainstream Mormon church. His sect continues to believe in practicing polygamy as taught by the Mormon church from 1831 to 1890 (or 1904), as practiced by Mormon prophets Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, and other prophets, leaders, and members, and as still in Mormon religious canon, most specifically Doctrines & Covenants 132.

There are certain cities in Utah (and in other states with a large LDS population) where there are pockets of Mormon fundamentalists who still practice polygamy under different prophets than the mainstream LDS church. The States of Utah and Arizona, for example, only deal with food stamp fraud and child abuse. The website for the Utah Attorney General says that the office has elected not to prosecute polygamy.

Jeffs opened another compound in Texas. There, he took child brides (as young as twelves, if I remember) and had ritual sex with on an obscene altar-like bed as others watched. Unlike Utah, the State of Texas didn't mess around. it prosecuted him. He's in jail. From there, he's still controlling his brainwashed mess who thinks its church is run by a man who is the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of God.

Would you like links to some of the articles about his trial, the teenage boys who are kicked, homeless, out of polygamist compounds because they are rivals for the young girls (the 'lost boys")? Places like Hilldale?

It's a fascinating sociological story if you have the stomach for it.

[Elsie]

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

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58 Now, as touching the law of the ^apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was ^aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that ^bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ^ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit ^dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse ^aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have ^aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to ^amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be ^bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take ^aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

[Scoutmaster]

That's saying it lightly!

Sorry, Elsie. I tend to sugar-coat things. And I like to serve up softballs for you. I'm really surprised you didn't react to my piñata comment from last night.

[Elsie]

Doctrine and Covenants

Section 18:46

 

And after that you have received this, if you keep not my commandments

you cannot be saved in the kingdom of my Father.