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Thoughts on Islam, in Mormons and Muslims: Spiritual Foundations and Modern Manifestations
Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University ^ | 2005 | Omar Kader

Posted on 01/09/2012 6:54:13 AM PST by greyfoxx39



TOPICS: Apologetics; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; inman; islam; mormonism; muslim
It appears that some mormon FReepers are unaware of the ties that the mormon church has to Islam. The mormon university BYU even has a division named "Islamic Studies"

One wonders if Mitt Romney plans on bowing to sheiks the way Obama does.

"The Islamic Translation Series is designed not only to further scholarship in the study of Islamic philosophy, theology, and mysticism, but, by encouraging the translation of Islamic texts into the technical language of contemporary Western scholarship, to assist in the integration of Islamic studies into Western academia and to promote global perspectives in the disciplines to which it is devoted. Islamic civilization represents nearly fourteen centuries of intense intellectual activity, and believers in Islam number in the hundreds of millions. The texts that will appear in ITS are among the treasures of this great culture. But they are more than that. They are properly the inheritance of all the peoples of the world. Brigham Young University and its Institute for the Study and Preservation of Ancient Religious Texts are pleased to sponsor the Islamic Translation Series. In doing so, we hope to serve our fellow human beings, of all creeds and cultures.

Islamic Translation Series

Muslims and Latter-day Saints
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2568726/posts

A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Mohammad
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2571152/posts

The Muslim Mormon Connection
http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_muslim_mormon_connection


1 posted on 01/09/2012 6:54:20 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


2 posted on 01/09/2012 6:56:24 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Religion Forum is not for the faint-hearted or those not accustomed to being opposed.)
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To: Elsie

‘It mattereth not’ placemarker


3 posted on 01/09/2012 7:01:23 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I find it odd that the author is writing about Islam in the context of it being a religion.

It’s not. It’s a Killcult.


4 posted on 01/09/2012 7:02:59 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: greyfoxx39
"Muslims and Mormons who attend each other’s religious services or events often report feeling very much at ease. The two faiths often co-host social and educational programs. The Mormon-owned Brigham Young University operates a world-class research operation in translating ancient Arab religious texts, which many Muslims interpret as more than a token sign of interest. The Mormon Church has also donated land for the construction of Islamic mosques, and opened the doors of its meetinghouses to Muslims who feared retribution at their own places of worship after 9/11."

From the mormon muslim connection

The Mormon Church has also donated land for the construction of Islamic mosques

I'm wondering if the mormon church has donated land for Christian churches? If so, how many and where?

5 posted on 01/09/2012 7:06:20 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Religion Forum is not for the faint-hearted or those not accustomed to being opposed.)
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To: greyfoxx39

IBWM.


6 posted on 01/09/2012 7:07:12 AM PST by reaganaut (If Romney is a conservative then I'm the frickin Angel Moroni.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Stoning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nuCETPrGtY&feature=related bump.


7 posted on 01/09/2012 7:38:59 AM PST by MurrietaMadman
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To: greyfoxx39
The Mormon Church has also donated land for the construction of Islamic mosques

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."- Winston Churchill

In this case, the LDS would go to the gutter to find legitimacy for it's cult.

8 posted on 01/09/2012 8:08:23 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: MurrietaMadman
What an atrocity!

Similar acts in mormon history.

Mormon Blood Atonement

"The evidence that we marshalled convinced us that many of the claims were genuine. Since doing this research we found even more evidence to verify that there was a conspiracy to destroy dissenters and other people that the mormon leaders hated."

9 posted on 01/09/2012 8:08:51 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Religion Forum is not for the faint-hearted or those not accustomed to being opposed.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I find it odd that the author is writing about Islam in the context of it being a religion.

Simple.

MORMONs don't recognize each other at Starbucks, and one cult won't recognize another.

10 posted on 01/09/2012 8:36:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




11 posted on 01/09/2012 8:38:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
Dear Stenhouse:

I Have read carefully the accompanying statement about the "Reformation."

... If you want to travel wider and show the effect in the country of the inflammatory speeches delivered in Salt Lake City at that time, you can mention the Potter and Parrish murders at Springville, the barbarous castration of a young man in San Pete, and, to cap the climax, the Mountain-Meadows massacre... Threats of personal violence or death were common in the settlements against all who dared to speak against the priesthood, or in any way protest against this "reign of terror."

12 posted on 01/09/2012 8:40:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Good post, elise. Mormonism and Islam are both opposed to true Christians. Amazing similarities.


13 posted on 01/09/2012 8:49:20 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
Losing our Spines to Save our Necks.

Yeah, let's be sure that we hold out the hand of friendship to Islam...since there is so much in common.

"There is an uncanny irony here that many have noticed. The position of the Muslim community in the face of all provocations seems to be: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we will kill you. Of course, the truth is often more nuanced, but this is about as nuanced as it ever gets: Islam is a religion of peace, and if you say that it isn't, we peaceful Muslims cannot be held responsible for what our less peaceful brothers and sisters do. When they burn your embassies or kidnap and slaughter your journalists, know that we will hold you primarily responsible and will spend the bulk of our energies criticizing you for "racism" and "Islamophobia."

-SNIP-

The Muslim world can match the FLDS sin for sin--Muslims commonly practice polygamy, forced-marriage (often between underage girls and older men), and wife-beating--but add to these indiscretions the surpassing evils of honor killing, female "circumcision," widespread support for terrorism, a pornographic fascination with videos showing the butchery of infidels and apostates, a vibrant form of anti-semitism that is explicitly genocidal in its aspirations, and an aptitude for producing children's books and television programs which exalt suicide-bombing and depict Jews as "apes and pigs."

-SNIP-

The connection between the doctrine of Islam and Islamist violence is simply not open to dispute. It's not that critics of religion like myself speculate that such a connection might exist: the point is that Islamists themselves acknowledge and demonstrate this connection at every opportunity and to deny it is to retreat within a fantasy world of political correctness and religious apology. Many western scholars, like the much admired Karen Armstrong, appear to live in just such a place. All of their talk about how benign Islam "really" is, and about how the problem of fundamentalism exists in all religions, only obfuscates what may be the most pressing issue of our time: Islam, as it is currently understood and practiced by vast numbers of the world's Muslims, is antithetical to civil society.

A recent poll showed that thirty-six percent of British Muslims (ages 16-24) believe that a person should be killed for leaving the faith. Sixty-eight percent of British Muslims feel that their neighbors who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted, and seventy-eight percent think that the Danish cartoonists should have been brought to justice. And these are British Muslims.

"A recent poll showed that thirty-six percent of British Muslims (ages 16-24) believe that a person should be killed for leaving the faith".

"Heber C. Kimball, a member of the (LDS) First Presidency, said that Exmormons will have their bowels kicked out:

"Judas lost that saving principle, and they took him and killed him. Itis said in the Bible that his bowels gushed out; but they actually kicked himun til his bowels came out. "'I will suffer my bowels to be taken out before I will forfeit the covenant I have made with Him and my brethren.' Do you understand me? Judas was like salt that had lost its saving principles—good for nothing butto be cast out and trodden under foot of men.... It is so with you, ye Eldersof Israel, when you forfeit your covenants.... I know the day is right at handwhen men will forfeit their Priesthood and turn against us and against the covenants they have made, and they will be destroyed as Judas was. (December 13,1857 in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, pages 125-126)

14 posted on 01/09/2012 9:37:48 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Religion Forum is not for the faint-hearted or those not accustomed to being opposed.)
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To: greyfoxx39
As long as people attempt to find common ground with Islam, no matter how they see it as political/religious/both or whatever, then the Islmification of the nations will progress speedily, and that with the assistance of those who fail miserably in understanding what Islam is and their agenda that is moving just as it has always done....nothings changed in their desire to kill or convert the masses...nothing.

What is interesting is that people seem to imagine they can change the mindset of Islam...it can't. Reason being all the "agreements"...all the "programs of understanding one another"....all the efforts any non-muslim group has in motion has at the heart of it converting the masses....it is never about them converting to them....only to those who naively think possible otherwise...and they've been had!

15 posted on 01/09/2012 9:51:12 AM PST by caww
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To: greyfoxx39

The Mormon-owned Brigham Young University operates a world-class research operation in translating ancient Arab religious texts,
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Ah yes

This harkens back to the days when the work was done on the book of abraham...

and before that...the book of mormon...


16 posted on 01/09/2012 11:20:52 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Christianity Under Fire by Radical Islam
17 posted on 01/10/2012 9:25:12 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Let's not vet Mitt w/Bain so Obama can do it all summer. /sarc)
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THX 1138


18 posted on 01/10/2012 9:43:06 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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