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To: Never A Dull Moment
The traditional Christian teaching is that the CHURCH is Israel, not the modern secular state in the middle east with that name. And modern Talmudic Judaism is NOT the Judaism of the time of Christ. Yes, in 1BC, Judaism was the only true Faith on Earth. But after 33AD, it is no longer the True Faith. And modern Judaism is not in any way the Judaism of 33AD.

To those who hold the view that to criticize the modern secular state in the middle east with that name, Israel, in any way represents de facto anti-semitism, one can only shrug and repeat Sobran's observation:

“An anti-Semite used to mean a man who hated Jews. Now it means a man who is hated by Jews.” ― Joseph Sobran

22 posted on 01/10/2012 1:14:22 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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And modern Talmudic Judaism is NOT the Judaism of the time of Christ.

You are incorrect: Orthodox Judaism is largely the SAME Judaism of Hillel and Shammai, in the first half of the First Century.

Your knowledge of history and of Judaism is lacking. What you derisively call "modern Talmudic Judaism" is the continuation of what began with Ezra and the men of the Great Assembly. For you history-challenged, that is circa 400 BCE.

Although not finalized in the First Century, the Talmud is the compilation of commentary on the Mishnah, which is the written transmission of the oral teachings of Sages between 200 BCE and 200 CE. Matthew 19 makes reference to "Hillel" and Shammai" who are the LAST of the zugot. From them the basic framework of teachings of the Mishnah and the Talmud was finalized. They died during the first half of the First Century.
28 posted on 01/10/2012 2:43:17 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“The traditional Christian teaching is that the CHURCH is Israel, not the modern secular state in the middle east with that name. And modern Talmudic Judaism is NOT the Judaism of the time of Christ. Yes, in 1BC, Judaism was the only true Faith on Earth. But after 33AD, it is no longer the True Faith. And modern Judaism is not in any way the Judaism of 33AD.”

1.) “Yisrael” is the name HaShem gave to Yaakov ( Jacob) and his descendants-the JEWS. The children of Yisrael are the JEWISH people-AM Yisrael. The name means to wrestle with HaShem- not against, but WITH. You are not Jews, you are not descendants from the Jews, therefore, you are not Yisrael. You are just another revisionist.......

2.) “Modern Talmudic Judaism” IS EXACTLY the same as the Judaism at the time of Jesus. Why don’t you educate yourself as to what the Talmud is -a collection of Rabbinic commentaries and discussions based upon the Mishnah.

3.) Judaism is no longer the true faith? HaShem commanded the Jewish people to follow the Torah “FOREVER” and to NEVER change it, or be swayed from it. HaShem stated and promised that His Covenant was “LASTING and FOREVER”.

Are you saying that HaShem, the ONE who put into works all creation in HIS plan since the beginning of time, changed his mind? That HE broke HIS word and promise?

You would be incorrect, as the proof of HIS word and HIS promise to the Jewish people is taking place right before everyone’s eyes- EXACTLY as written and like clockwork.

You can try to revise, but you can never change the truth, and proof of HaShem’s word. That is why HE provided the proof for all eyes. HIS name is “I AM”- meaning ONE, not “We Are....” Thy Shalt not have any gods before ME”....not “Us”........

As for Joseph Sobran- You will recall that Sobran was fired from the National Review because Buckely found his work to be “contextually Anti-Semitic”. That you would quote such a hate monger to defend your point of view, reflects what evil is in your own heart. But, that will be between you and HaShem at the time you are to answer for it.

But please allow me, an Orthodox Jewish rabbinical student to give you a little tip: HaShem is angered by anti-semites, and denial ain’t gonna cut it.

“I will make of you a great nation,
And I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you
And curse him that curses you;
And all the families of the earth
Shall bless themselves by you.”


48 posted on 01/10/2012 10:24:59 PM PST by Never A Dull Moment
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