Posted on 01/16/2012 11:13:52 AM PST by MDJohnPaul
Most Christians across the world believe Christ will come again to judge the living and the dead. Mormons believe that Jesus did come again already… to America.
And that, to me, is what’s interesting about Romney as a candidate.
A Mormon’s account of North American history is fundamentally different from most Christians, but virtually every other faith and anyone else. In Mormon history, North America was the site of an appearance of Jesus Christ, which is no small thing. It differs from historians’ and archeologists’ own research.
Jesus came here to create his church and it was restored by, as Mormons see it, prophet Joseph Smith. America is an exceptional place because of this unique historical event, according to Mormons.
Of course, many people will point out that many Catholics in North America and beyond believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary has appeared in Mexico, Lourdes and Fatima. There are also several other unconfirmed sightings. That’s always worthy of discussion.
Romney isn’t running for Historian in Chief. He’s running to be President of the United States. The land’s history is taught to children in classrooms across the country. Does it matter that Romney, as a Mormon, believes in a history that includes the assertion that Jesus Christ lived here and continued his teachings? That, without question, is different from the mainstream. Does he need to disavow it? No. Should he explain why these historical events are true if he believes them. Possibly.
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Please correct me if I’m wrong...I’d heard (from some missionaries years ago) that LDS believed that in the days after Jesus was crucified was when He appeared in America to preach to the inhabitants. Never did believe it. And it REALLY floored me when one of them said that they believe in a “mother god” or wife or something like that.
Whether or not mitt likes it his religion IS going to be brought up again and again and again....
The current bunch of leaders allowed Senator Harry Reid to address the entire student body and faculty at BYU where he bashed Ezra Taft Benson and said that he "led the church down the wrong path." Such talk by any other member would have been met with viscious and instant excommunication.
Reid is seen here, after his BYU speech, hanging out with current breakaway LDS sect leaders, Thomas Monson and Dallin Oaks. this is a HUGE message to members. The breakaway LDS sect is taking a hard political left turn. Reid and Romney are the typical mormon of the next generation.
Then they got in a big fight and completely exterminated one another.
I don’t think it’s a cult but the LDS church will regret having Romney as a candidate. The Democrat-controlled media’s exposure of it will be very bad for the church.
Magic underwear? Secret rituals? The restrictions on the young missionaries? Excluding poor blacks from the Temple because they don’t give 10%?
“If you have an LDS neighbor looking after your “well being”, you’d better keep a close eye on your wife and daughters !”
My LDS neighbor is a woman (divorced from husband)
In an April Fool's Day article about Rush Limbaugh converting to Mormonism, Limbaugh touts that as one of Mormonism's virtues.
I think the video nails it on the head.
Mormon theology doesn’t really matter, but to an election team that finds racism EVERYWHERE whether it is there or not, the Mormon religion is pretty doggone easy to portray as racist.
Do you mean the turn of the 20th century or of the 19th?
As of 2012, researchers have done extensive DNA sequencing studies of both many populations of Jews and of American Indians, with the most advanced technology available. According to these studies, American Indians came from Asian ancestors, not from Israelites, despite the complicated genetics of the Jews.
Moreover, NO ONE with any knowledge of the Early Christian Church, starting with Christ and his Holy Apostles, and continuing on from there, would believe that the True Church of the Apostles was “lost”. It continues in the Holy Orthodox Church, which has maintained an unbroken connection with the Apostles and their successors, the Apostolic Fathers.
The ones who restored the True Church to the North American continent were the Russian missionaries who first came to Alaska, followed by the Orthodox faithful who immigrated here from Eastern Europe. St. Herman of Alaska is the Patron Saint of North America.
If anyone cannot believe the science or the history, he or she can pray to St. Herman to intercede with God to reveal the truth to them. We need no Mormon/LDS “church”, which has been falsified many times over!!!!
Also as other FREEPERS have pointed out the DNC and 0 have kept their powder dry on this issue (mormom church is racist).
It is obvious they are pulling for Mitt.
Could this issue be the “October Surprise”?
Please correct me if I’m wrong...I’d heard (from some missionaries years ago) that LDS believed that in the days after Jesus was crucified was when He appeared in America to preach to the inhabitants. Never did believe it. And it REALLY floored me when one of them said that they believe in a “mother god” or wife or something like that.
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You are correct in that. The LDS believe (and the book of Mormon teaches) that during the 3 days between Christ’s death and resurrection He appeared here in the Americas. Interestingly, the same part of the Book of Mormon says that after Christ’s crucifixion millions of people here in the Americas were killed because they were ‘unrighteous’ and so he ‘smote’ them. Yep, Christ is a mass murder according to the Book of Mormon. It really makes no sense since a) Christ died to SAVE us (again Mormons don’t really believe that and twist definitions) and b) what did people in the Americas do that the people in Isreal didn’t. Why was one group spared and not the other? If you ask a Mormon that, you will get interesting responses.
They do believe that Heavenly Father is married (and a polygamist) and that we have at least ONE Heavenly Mother. One of their hymns “Oh My Father” has this line...
In the heav’ns are parents single?
No, the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason; truth eternal
Tells me I’ve a mother there.
http://www.onlymormon.com/Hymns/292/
And yeah, Mormonism will be the nail that the libs will use to hang Mitt.
Anyone who extolls the virtues of mormons and how great it would be to have more like them needs to spend some time in a majority mormon town/city/county. Like muslims, they act very differently once they are in the drivers seat.
RE mormons and disproportionate white collar crime: Ever been approached to buy/sell protandim or any other mormon ponzi scam? If you haven’t then you really cannot say they are basically trustworthy virtuous people. The stuff is garbage and they smile and look you in the eye and do everything they can to get you locked in for years buying/distributing their snake oil, making them more money than you, if you are foolish enough to fall for it.
I am struck by the similar nature of all their current financial scams to their founders treasure digging and looking into hats and snake oil flim flam. You would think in all this time they would move away from such humiliating practices which destroy all credibility.
In normal times maybe but mr obama being a muslim didnt hurt him
If Mitt Romney is as conscientious about his business dealings and sense of honor and respect to his fellow man (not just Mormons), as any of the members of LDS with whom I have had contact, then there is no basis for this belief.
He's not, but your rose-colored glasses need a new prescription on the honor of mormons in general. SOME are honest, some are not.
If the LDS people are cultists, I say, here’s to more cults of similar dedication to the well-being of their neighbors.
How about some personal examples of your mormon neighbors being dedicated to the well-being of their neighbors? I have lived in mormon communities for years, and the dedication of mormons that I have seen is to the mormon church first and to their fellow mormons second. .
“Anyone who extolls the virtues of mormons and how great it would be to have more like them needs to spend some time in a majority mormon town/city/county. Like muslims, they act very differently once they are in the drivers seat.”
Money quote! And the smiling young mishies are after one thing & one thing only: ten percent of your income for the rest of your life!
BTW, I’m Catholic (”the geat and abominable church” according to LDS) and we are encouraged to tithe. That’s all, just encouraged. No pressure, no shunning, no finger-waving, no slamming of the doors of paradise, no denying permission to visit St. Peter’s in Rome, no loss of friends. Nothing.
In fact, the saying is not “Give ‘till it hurts”. It’s more like “Give ‘till it feels good!”
No pressure, no shunning, no finger-waving, no slamming of the doors of paradise, no denying permission to visit St. Peter’s in Rome, no loss of friends. Nothing.
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And no meetings with the priest to go over your donations and make sure you paid your full amount. No asking to see tax records, etc.
Mormonism cured me of ever writing a check for a donation to a church. Now I just give cash and do so anonymously.
What is not being said here is that these smiling young mishies (all 52,000) of them are preaching hate when they tell Christians that their faith is false and the only way to salvation is through the mormon church..and you can only get to the "salvation" rung on the "saved" ladder by paying the required 10% of your income and taking part in arcane temple rituals.
The mishies also fail to report that according to mormonism, Jesus had to work his way up to Godhood.
"God our Heavenly Father was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we are, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" (Journal of Discourses 1:123). Consistency would demand that if the Mormon God was "mortal like we are," he must have had the attributes that we as humans have. This would have to include a sinful nature."
“The broad brush you paint with is missing a whole bunch of bristles.”
Well, the bristles you show don’t carry much paint, either.
All I’m saying is, of all the experience I have had dealing with LDS members on a personal basis, I have found them to be of a positive nature as good as, or better than, most of the non-Mormons I have had contact with. And I worked among, around and with members of the LDS in eastern Utah (Uintah and Duchesne counties), much of which is part of the Ouray and Uintah Indian Reservation, and the Utes that were the oboriginals. The tribal people were divided between the LDS members and the non-Mormon, while almost all of the whites were Mormon. From all appearances, the non-Mormon Utes were not being treated any more unfairly by the white LDS members, than the treatment the LDS Utes were subject to. The Utes had a grudging admiration of the LDS as a whole, and sometimes spoke of them in a kidding manner (”Those Mormons can pray water into flowing uphill”), but there was no great underlying tension by either side.
All of that ends when they leave the church and other Mormons are told to disassociate themselves with those who do.
FRs don't have to believe what I say but I know far too many former Mormons who have basically found their entire social network gone after stepping away from their church. It is one of the things that keeps many Mormons who might think about leaving, they know that the life and family that they now have will be gone.
So, tell me about the 1992 presidental election results in Utah? Of course, many will say that Bush sr wasn't conservative (and I would agree with them), but Clinton getting third would suggest something, wouldn't it?
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