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Posted on 01/20/2012 7:59:31 AM PST by Colofornian
In a new biography, two...Boston Globe reporters write about...Mitt Romney...
On their hunt for The Real Romney, Scott Helman and Michael Kranish traced Romney's life...
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He...became a leader in the Mormon lay clergy...and eventually became the leader of more than a dozen congregations in eastern Massachusetts.
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Peggie Hayes
Helman: "One of the things the Mormon church does not look kindly upon is single parenthood. There was a woman named Peggie Hayes who had known Romney when she was in his ward. She had come from a family which had had some struggles, had looked to Mormonism to anchor them. She had a child and then was pregnant with the second child. She was married when she had the first child and got divorced. So she was not married at the time. So Mitt Romney came to her apartment in the city of Somerville [in Massachusetts], and he delivers this message to her, which is, by her interpretation, fairly harsh. Which is: The church does not want you to keep this baby; the church thinks it would be better if your soon-to-be-born son would grow up in a family with two parents, so we think you should give the child up for adoption. And Peggie Hayes' first reaction is that she must have misheard something because she can't believe what he's asking her to do. But he continues, according to her, and in fact goes so far as to threaten her with excommunication — that she could be thrown out of the church, essentially, if she didn't follow the church's orders. This was a very distressing visit from her perspective. Romney later denied that he had threatened her with excommunication. But this was a profound moment for Peggie and part of the reason why she ended up leaving the church."
(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...
But I do know that some of the very same people who have called that church a cult have said the same thing about the Catholic Church, the one I belong to.
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Not me, and not Sentinel. Care to name names?
Catholics believe in the Trinity and the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. Mormons do not. Also there is the matter of level of control that the LDS church exercises over its members - that is what makes them a cult.
polygamy.
This was not always the case, such as during the Catholic crusades, for instance....and I have serious doubts about the foundation of the Catholic religion based on the Vatican's removal of the second commandement and splitting of the tenth commandment into two.
In short, I do not believe in the Catholic religion, but see no cult-like control issues that dominate the current LDS sect of mormonism. I believe a Catholic president could rule without interference from the Vatican. An LDS sect mormon President would be wholy owned by the whims of Salt Lake city.
the Dems would be wise not to bring up the religious issue given where BHO attended church most of his adult life.
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You are forgetting the MSM double standard. Mitt’s religion will matter, Obama’s won’t.
Agree the MSM will make as much hay as possible about the Mormon church as they are totally in BHO’s hip pocket.
But hopefully outlets such as FNC can do some big exposees on Rev. Wright and BHO’s Trinity United church in Chicago.
So?
Guess what the MORMONs have called YOUR church!
It ain't pretty!
So if somebody has spoken negatively of the RC church, then it dismisses/negates any "cult" labels attached to by same people...
...Jim Jones...
...Heavensgate...
...David Koresh...
...Scientology...
...etc.???
Don't overwhelm us with such sage logic.
You've not been here long, I see.
Not to worry, as the MSM will NOT be looking into Bammy's baggage; but Mitt's.
One WILL learn that they are TOTALLY in the tank for LIBERALism.
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHICHAPTER 224 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
Or even HERE:
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTSSECTION 13251–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
Well, let's next here for your call for the FR 'bigot patrol' to be consistent.
There's been DOZENS & DOZENS of FReepers over the years who've labeled the Flying Inmans as "bigots" for bringing up Mitt's Mormonism. Or they'll chastise us for mentioning "religion" in the POTUS political campaign.
To be consistent, there's been LOTS of references lately by FREEPERS -- and LOTS back in '08 -- to Rev. Wright & Obama's former church.
My questions? Where are all those FREEPERS who keep telling us to stick to politics whenever somebody brings up Rev. Wright or Obama's church?
They just never seem to get around to being consistent in exercising the same across-the-board scolding on that count. (Can you say two-faced? Double standards? Hypocrites)
Same goes for the "bigot patrol." If it's bigotry to ponder a candidate's other-worldly worldviews; then isn't that also true in bringing into the discussion Rev. Wright or the church Obama was part of?
Per this logic, Cousin It, the Bigot Patrol should be all over your case for injecting "religion" into a political race.
The problem is that there's plenty of conservative hypocrites; and many are signed up @ FR.
“It” doesn’t realize what “It” is getting into. “It” only signed up last month.
If she dies first and Mitt marries again in the Mormon temple “for eternity,” that’ll give him TWO wives for eternity...
...in which by CURRENT Mormon doctrine would = Mitt becoming an eternal polygamist...)
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—”We have clearly shown that God the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus (Mary - ed.), as his only begotten in the world. We have also probed most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings’ daughters and many honorable wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time . . . If you do not want your morals corrupted, and your delicate ears shocked and your pious modesty put to the blush by the society of polygamists and their wives, do not venture near the New Earth; for polygamists will be honored there, and will be among the chief rulers in that Kingdom,” (Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Seer,“ p. 172)
—”If none but Gods will be permitted to multiply immortal children, it follows that each God must have one or more wives,”
(Mormon Church Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Seer,” p. 158)
“Some people have supposed that the doctrine of plural marriage was a sort of superfluity, or non-essential to the salvation of mankind. In other words, some of the Saints have said, and believe that a man with one wife, sealed to him by the authority of the Priesthood for time and eternity, will receive an exaltation (attainment to godhood - ed.) as great and glorious, if he is faithful, as he possibly could with more than one. I want here to enter my protest against this idea, for I know it is false. . . . Therefore, whoever has imagined that he could obtain the fullness of the blessings pertaining to this celestial law, by complying with only a portion of its conditions, has deceived himself. He cannot do it. . . . it is useless to tell me that there is no blessing attached to obedience to the law, or that a man with only one wife can obtain as great a reward, glory or kingdom as he can with more than one,” (Mormon Church Apostle Joseph F. Smith, “Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, pp. 28-31)
—”Plural marriage is a pattern of marriage designed by God as part of His plan of eternal progress (the eternal progression and birthing of spirits in the future world to further His kingdom and exalt (to godhood - ed.) His children,” (John J. Stewart, “Brigham Young and His Wives,“ 1961, p. 71)
Source: “Conversations with a Mormon: Does the Mormon God Have More Than One Wife?,” at: http://www.ondoctrine.com/conversa/3morm006.htm';; see also, “Mormon Handbook: Polygamy,” at)http://www.mormonhandbook.com/home/polygamy.html
—”Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the ‘grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.’ After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were ‘Mormons’ “ (Jedediah M. Grant, First Presidency Counselor to Brigham Young, “Journal of Discourses,” Vol 1. pp. 345-46)
—”. . . [W]e apprehend that even greater troubles than these may arise before mankind learn all the particulars of Christ’s incarnation-how and by whom he was begotten; the character of the relationships formed by the act; the number of wives and children he had. . .” (“The Millennial Star,” Vol. 15, 1853, p. 825)
—”The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with ‘his train;’ I do not know who they were, unless his wives and children;” (Mormon Church President Brigham Young, “Journal of Discourses,” Vol. 13, p. 309)
Source: Cooper Abramas, “Do Mormons Believe that Jesus Christ Was Married and Practiced Polygamy?,” at: http://bible-truth.org/LDSpolygamy.html
Entreating a single pregnant woman to put her baby up for adoption and forcing a woman to surrender a child after divorce are also two completely different things.
Both are abhorrent; one more than the other.
But, if he did, how would that distinguish him apart from Newt Gingrich?
I don't understand your point. Newt has never claimed to believe in polygamy and has never entered into a polygamous marriage.
Newt didn't engage in polygamy but in a Christian context it was at least adulterous and continues to be so. IMHO.
I'm always wary when folks use that phrase.
So what have you been with me before???????
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