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How can Jesus & Lucifer be spirit brothers when their characters & purposes are so utterly opposed?
Lds.org (official site) ^ | June 1986 | Jess L. Christensen (via lds.org/Ensign)

Posted on 01/31/2012 11:48:42 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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1.) There are four "I have a question's" on this page. In that regard, this is an excerpt. Given that the focus of this is on but one of the questions, I did not click "excerpt."

2.) When you go to google or the Google homepage and type in "lds.org" it says "Official site. Online scriptures and library, media contact information, online distribution center,..."

3.) This is at the official LDS site, and at this official LDS website is an Ensign article from June 1986. 25 years old. No decleration here that this is heresy according to the lds church, and 25 years is enough time to have tossed all of the one question as well as the answer "How can Jesus and Lucifer..." given here from that June Ensign issue if LDS considered it heresy or didn't believe in it. It could have been toosed long ago, to leave the other three questions to post to lds.org, so that it never even made it here to lds.org.

4.) Before anyone calls me a bigot, let it be known that I heard no cries of bigotry from conservatives when I talked about the Chicago Sun-Times article " I have a deep faith," a 2004 interview with Barack Obama about his belief that there are many paths to God/Heaven, and what he was asked about the scripture " I am the Way, Truth, Life. No man comes unto the Father but by me." Obama said it all depends upon how you interpret that scripture. I vehemently disagree with that answer. And Jesus supposedly being a brother to Lucifer - I also think that issue must also be explored, and is not believed in by most Christians. 5.) When a certain talk radio host talked about Obama's Black Liberation Theology, and whether he adhered to it, I don't remember conservatives saying that was religious bigotry or shouldn't be brought up for discussion. If that can be talked about, why not this? Why not both?

1 posted on 01/31/2012 11:48:46 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“Lucifer” means light-bearer or something like that. They used to call old fashioned matches which struck on anything lucifers and the name used to be applied to the planet Venus. I am not aware of any relationship between the planet Venus and Jesus.


2 posted on 01/31/2012 11:53:23 AM PST by varmintman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Wrong. According to the Bible, Jesus is not a created being but Satan, a fallen angel, is.


3 posted on 01/31/2012 11:55:38 AM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
It is a lie to say that Jesus and Lucifer are ‘spirit’ brothers. Christ came to us called, Emmanuel which means God with us. Lucifer has already been condemned to death before this flesh age began. Reason why Moses would call him the ‘tree’ of the knowledge of good and evil. God did not create ‘evil’ but He says He will certainly use the ‘evil’ one if His children become ‘proud’. But Lucifer rebel because of his ‘pride’, meaning he stopped loving the creator, and decided he would be God, and a third of the Sons of God joined up with his rebellion.
4 posted on 01/31/2012 11:56:13 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you?

If conservatives here had no problem with me talking about “I have a deep faith” and Obama’s spiritual beliefs in that news piece (beliefs which I believe to be false) then surely this Mormon belief is acceptable to raise, too, right?

If Talk Radio can opine on Black Liberation Theology ( which I had no problem with them talking about) then why not explore this Mormon theological belief and talk about it, too?


5 posted on 01/31/2012 11:58:04 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think the whole question is bogus. I get the feeling the questions to a site like this are setups. They make them up out of whole cloth so they can discuss the issue.

Anybody ever met two brothers that are complete opposites?

The real question is, how can the church teach that they are brothers when the Bible says Satan is a fallen angel, a created being, and Jesus is God with us?


6 posted on 01/31/2012 11:59:32 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: beethovenfan

I agree. Lucifer is a created being.

This Mormon belief is false, just as Obama’s belief in that Sun Times article are false.


7 posted on 01/31/2012 12:01:02 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I have no problem with this thread. If I don’t like the subject of a thread, I ignore it. If the thread argues an opinion different then mine on a subject on which I have a strong opinion, I’ll jump, head first, into the deep end and let the chips fall where they may.


8 posted on 01/31/2012 12:01:24 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

And forgive me for mixing metaphors. My chips got soggy when I jumped in.


9 posted on 01/31/2012 12:02:05 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Obama went to a church that believed and taught crazy stuff... talk radio discussed it.

Romney goes to a church that believed and teaches crazy and racist stuff... but it will probably be ignored.

Draw your own conclusions.
10 posted on 01/31/2012 12:02:37 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: cuban leaf

The Mormon church had 25 years to toss this “bogus question” from that Ensign issue. They never even had to let it in that issue, leaving the other three questions to make it to the lds.org official site. They let all four questions come into the official lds.org site.

They believe in this false doctrine.


11 posted on 01/31/2012 12:05:16 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Obama went to a church that believed and taught crazy stuff... talk radio discussed it. Romney goes to a church that believed and teaches crazy and racist stuff... but it will probably be ignored. Draw your own conclusions.

It really depends on how much the corrupt political establishment are tired of BamBamKennedy, Romney is the perfect transition to 'save' US... Why would not the liberals want to necklace our demise in a Republican name? Wonder which state Romney will mount a 'white horse'?

12 posted on 01/31/2012 12:06:19 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Surely a certain talk show host who kept talking about Black Liberation Theology would also talk about this, too? I had no problem with him talking about BLT, just as I have no problem talking about this.

Surely the statement Fair and balanced is correct, right?


13 posted on 01/31/2012 12:09:13 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. (Jn 1:1-2) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God (Jn 1:18a).

Lucifer is a created being. Jesus is not.

14 posted on 01/31/2012 12:10:55 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: Gideon7

That’s why Mormons are not considered Christians or to be it more generously Non-Nicene Christians.


15 posted on 01/31/2012 12:14:21 PM PST by C19fan
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To: Gideon7

Correct. Jesus is Divine, uncreated. Lucifer was a created being.

Mormonism is incompatible with the true test - the Nicene Creed - and with the word of God, too.


16 posted on 01/31/2012 12:14:42 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
How can Jesus & Lucifer be spirit brothers when their characters & purposes are so utterly opposed?

They can't, next question please.

17 posted on 01/31/2012 12:15:05 PM PST by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45

Gordian knot cutting, :)


18 posted on 01/31/2012 12:16:21 PM PST by C19fan
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Then why do Mormons believe this and have this on their official site if they supposedly don’t believe this doctrine?

Obama was asked about his beliefs in that 2004 interview. Obama has been hiunded with questions about Black Liberation Theology.

Should Romney be asked about his beliefs as well?

Fair and Balanced approach, right?


19 posted on 01/31/2012 12:21:12 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: beethovenfan
Jesus is not a created being...

...Begotten, not made; consubstantial with the Father...

20 posted on 01/31/2012 12:23:23 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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