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Protestants and Jews declare to White House: We stand with Catholics
The Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty ^ | 12-22-11 | Emily Hardman

Posted on 02/02/2012 10:00:56 PM PST by dangus

Protestant and orthodox Jewish leaders join in opposition to HHS contraceptive mandate.

Today, more than 40 non-Catholic religious organizations including Protestant-affiliated colleges, National Association of Evangelicals, Focus on the Family, Assemblies of God, Northwest Nazarene University, and Eastern Mennonite University, sent a letter to the White House demanding religious protection against the newly issued HHS contraceptive mandate.

“We write not in opposition to Catholic leaders and organizations. We write in solidarity.” Says the coalition letter. “Leaders of other faiths are also deeply troubled by and opposed to the mandate and the narrow exemption.”

In a letter sent December 21, 2011, the group expressed deep concern about the contraceptive provision in the Health and Human Services mandates, which includes the most narrow “religious employer” qualifications excluding protection of most-faith based organizations.

“We are all deeply concerned about the narrow exemption, including proposals made to expand it while still leaving unprotected many faith-based organizations.” The letter continues, “We believe that the Federal government is obligated by the First Amendment to accommodate the religious convictions of faith-based organizations of all kinds, Catholic and non-Catholic.”

The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty currently represents Belmont Abbey College, a private Catholic College, and Colorado Christian University, a non-denominational Christian University, in the first lawsuits against this unprecedented mandate.


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I just finished reading a posting on FR about the Declaration of Independence's reliance on the works of St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, doctors of the Catholic faith. It was met by a blizzard of hate and bigotry. One even called all Catholics, "fifth-olumnists," who pledge allegiance to a foreign power, implicitly an enemy. Immediately after responding, a friend happened to send me this article over Facebook. If we're going to preserve democracy, Catholics and Protestants need to work together. So thanks to all the Protestants and Jews out there who are hanging with us Catholics, rather than being hanged separately.
1 posted on 02/02/2012 10:00:57 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
I missed the thread you referenced, but yes the catholic bashing by certain quarters is an unsettling reminder of how backwards and bigoted certain segments of this country remain. While hypocrites of all stripes are fair game, the actual articles of faith held by people should not be.

The regime's insolent and arrogant attack on religious freedom represents a threat that transcends any religious boundary.

2 posted on 02/02/2012 10:14:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: dangus
Amen to you statement about working together. Many faiths are speaking out against Obama on this as well as many Bishops.

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3 posted on 02/02/2012 10:15:21 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Check in the religion forum.

It should be near the top.


4 posted on 02/02/2012 10:15:53 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: hinckley buzzard
Here's the link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2841799/posts

5 posted on 02/02/2012 10:17:26 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: dangus

Sometimes the evil is within. Look at Pelosi saying she stands with the president and not with the church.


6 posted on 02/02/2012 10:19:50 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dangus

dangus, where is that posting about the Declaration and Aquinas/Bellarmine? Do you have a link?


7 posted on 02/02/2012 10:31:17 PM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: dangus

I’m opposed to any of us good guys hanging, at all. If we stay united, it’s gonna be the other guys who are going to swing - out of office, out of a job, out of the pork-trough, out of cronyism, out of corruption (at least on the federal level), and hopefully (thank you Col. West), “OUT OF OUR COUNTRY”.

Madmad, one Jew who fights back against the Communist Left and Islamofascists, the Klan and mentally ill liberals


8 posted on 02/02/2012 10:31:54 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: dangus

Ok, I see it’s been posted already.


9 posted on 02/02/2012 10:32:48 PM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: dangus

good vs evil...


10 posted on 02/02/2012 10:40:46 PM PST by citizencon
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To: dangus

To have Christians and Jews standing together, Catholic, Protestants Jews would be making Jesus happy that so many of His and His Fathers are of one mind...and I’ll bet that also includes many Orthodox Christians of all denominations...:O)


11 posted on 02/02/2012 10:41:21 PM PST by goat granny
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To: hinckley buzzard

Can you clarify what quarters you are talking about, so we can know if you are even accusing us Freeper evangelicals? Innuendo is a bit hard to address. For my part, I must assert that having areas of theological disagreement isn’t “bigotry.”


12 posted on 02/02/2012 10:59:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: goat granny

Obama’s most apparent dispute is with Roman Catholics, but he’s got all Judeo-Christian faiths in his sights. It’s unclear to me yet what place Muslims have in this contest.


13 posted on 02/02/2012 11:01:19 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: goat granny

It isn’t simply good vs evil. It’s quite literally life vs death.


14 posted on 02/02/2012 11:03:55 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: dangus

Placemark for tomorrow pingout.


15 posted on 02/02/2012 11:04:28 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: goat granny

Which are “His” and which are “His Father’s”?


16 posted on 02/02/2012 11:04:45 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Comity towards Jewish congregations is nothing new in America, if unenlightened and bizarre criticisms of same are also of ancient standing. George Washington himself affirmed that Jews should be afforded the freedom to live in peace following their Old Testament beliefs in the new country.


17 posted on 02/02/2012 11:05:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

muslims vs Crusaders. Guess where owebama falls down.


18 posted on 02/02/2012 11:05:49 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: DNA.2012

That’s a subject pregnant for a lot of dispute (no pun intended). Disagreements in Christendom are stark over this, but at least some aver that many Jewish people have not yet reached the understanding of the Christ needed to make a genuine acceptance (or rejection) but that when they do, they will accept. Those people though living today would be in the position of the Old Testament saints. Others hold a more pessimistic view. Whatever the case, Christians preach the gospel to all men without discrimination.


19 posted on 02/02/2012 11:09:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
He wouldn't dare touch anything related to muslims. I don't think they have any hospitals or charities for him to deal with, but he has no spine to even look at them crosseyed...I just love seeing so many stand together.

They all know they are all targets...its like the old hang together or we will hang apart..

I am happy to see it...definitely unconstitutional, as the recent supreme court decision.....Part of that decision was if the state stepped in they were in fact making a state religion if they could dictate who the church could or could not fire..This situation I think will broaden even that decision in favor of the churches.. They cannot dictate what a church can or cannot do... Religious freedom is precious to all...

20 posted on 02/02/2012 11:10:18 PM PST by goat granny
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To: nutmeg

bookmark


21 posted on 02/02/2012 11:12:10 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: dangus

What folks may be missing is the motivation for the White House to create this firestorm, such that they’re forced to withdraw Obamacare.
This would avoid having the Supreme Court declaring it unconstitutional.
Then, they can have their czars implement it one piece at a time, without the worry of each piece being defeated in court.

This is my summary of discussions heard on Hugh Hewitt this evening.


22 posted on 02/02/2012 11:13:05 PM PST by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: MestaMachine

That is a distinct possibility. Another one is that Obama is such a tone deaf klutz that he would do this even to Muslim charities (yes there are such things) causing them to be in the same corner as the Jews and Christians.


23 posted on 02/02/2012 11:15:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dragonblustar

And not a peep of acknowledgment from Pelosi that Democrat minions promised a lot of bishops that no such thing would happen. Well, she must have a political death wish.


24 posted on 02/02/2012 11:19:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: dangus; xzins; xone; Belteshazzar; redgolum; Mr Rogers
dangus: "So thanks to all the Protestants and Jews out there who are hanging with us Catholics, rather than being hanged separately."

I agree -- on this matter it is beyond the realm of even religious matters but Obama is forcing people to obey his liberal laws, or else.. Next it will be that churches MUST allow gay marriages, polygamy, etc. -- direct infringement on rights.

25 posted on 02/03/2012 1:53:43 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

Right, this is an attach on the Christian Church not just Catholics and it’s also a trojan horse for abortion not just contraception. Obama’s calculation that alienating sincere Christians will be offset but number of women and young it brings to the table (or voting booth) is seriously misguided. The groups Obama seeks to appeal to aren’t all that concerned about it but the Christian community will respond with a vengence.


26 posted on 02/03/2012 2:54:49 AM PST by circlecity
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To: dangus

During these rough times for Christians, it is time for Christians to stop the in-fighting and unite to stand up to a common enemy.


27 posted on 02/03/2012 3:31:25 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dangus

This is more than just an attack on religious freedom it’s an attempt to subjugate any and all business entities to mandated service levels by fiat. This whole thing needs to be thrown out by SCOTUS.


28 posted on 02/03/2012 3:55:12 AM PST by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I would like to point out to those of you who are decrying Catholic bashing that I have read several threads on here denigrating Martin Luther and the Reformation. Not once on those threads did I read any Catholic taking it to the Catholics who had posted the thread nor adding reenforcing comments.

I am all for working together to stop our evil tyrannical government. But it must be a two way street.

This is no longer the land of the free. We are now the land of the governed.


29 posted on 02/03/2012 4:00:12 AM PST by american_ranger
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To: american_ranger
So, defend Luther starting with your defense of:

http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm
You can download a copy here:

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1543_luther_jews.html

30 posted on 02/03/2012 5:21:31 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: dangus

I have two friends who have both declared to me how much they hate the Catholic Church. However, one grew up Lutheran, the other is Methodist and neither one has ever set foot in the church. Neither one has any idea what they are talking about.

The Catholic faith is a gift and I am lucky to have been given it.


31 posted on 02/03/2012 5:47:29 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: american_ranger

You know the reformation might not have been divinely inspired. Don’t assume it can be defended.......


32 posted on 02/03/2012 5:51:07 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Obama’s most apparent dispute is with Roman Catholics, but he’s got all Judeo-Christian faiths in his sights. It’s unclear to me yet what place Muslims have in this contest.

From what I understand Islam is dead set against abortion. Conservative Muslims would be against artifical birth control as well.
Of course one might be able to say that about "conservative" versus "liberal" any-faith, I suppose.

If that's the case then Obama would be against ANYONE of ANY faith who crossed his will.

33 posted on 02/03/2012 6:16:35 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: HiTech RedNeck

if one were to say “xx are fifth columnists” or “are not true Americans” or “since you’re xx, why would you vote Republican?” then yeah, one would shut out discussion and yeah that would be bigotry.


34 posted on 02/03/2012 7:18:26 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: circlecity
I don't understand why he would do this quite frankly -- why should contraceptives even BE on any mandated list? it's not a medical problem right?

If someone wants to use contraceptives, why should it be reimbursed? Next will Obama say that all medical plans need to play for ahem toys or visits to strip clubs?

35 posted on 02/03/2012 7:25:46 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

I think thin skinned Obama was put out when the Supreme Court slapped down (9-0) his position that Religious institutions were not protected from his EEOC mandates by virtue of the 1st Amendment. It’s pure petulent paybacdk. I really think he operates that way - “I WILL have my way”.


36 posted on 02/03/2012 7:30:24 AM PST by circlecity
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To: dangus
I'm glad to see all religious people hanging together on this issue.

However, I would like to point out that if it were a non-Catholic religion in the government's sites, it is not at all certain that Catholics would be standing in solidarity with their "brethren." Catholic dioceses have been petting the ACLU snake for decades with regard to "creation science" with scant regard to the consciences of people who object to evolution on religious grounds. Now the snake has bitten them.

Let us hope the lesson has been learned.

37 posted on 02/03/2012 8:23:50 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

>> Catholic dioceses have been petting the ACLU snake for decades with regard to “creation science” with scant regard to the consciences of people who object to evolution on religious grounds. Now the snake has bitten them. <<

Wow, you can shoehorn your ridiculous assertions into any issue, can’t you?


38 posted on 02/03/2012 8:31:07 AM PST by dangus
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To: Zionist Conspirator

>> Catholic dioceses have been petting the ACLU snake for decades with regard to “creation science” with scant regard to the consciences of people who object to evolution on religious grounds. Now the snake has bitten them. <<

Wow, you can shoehorn your ridiculous assertions into any issue, can’t you?


39 posted on 02/03/2012 8:31:27 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Wow, you can shoehorn your ridiculous assertions into any issue, can’t you?

Most unfortunately, it isn't a "ridiculous assertion."

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that were Obama placing another religion in his sites, you would stand with them. Some Catholic FReepers, however, seem to have little regard for the consciences of non-Catholics.

40 posted on 02/03/2012 8:35:57 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

By the way, why is this a “Catholic” issue? This isn’t Protestants and Jews sticking up for Catholics’ rights. Rather, what’s happened is that the Catholic Church has been most demonstrative in denouncing Obama’s plan, and getting all the headlines, and Protestants and Jews are piping up to say, “It’s not just Catholics; we’re all equally threatened by this.

(And no, I don’t mean to make it sound like Catholics have been “better on this issue.” The fact that they grabbed the headlines is a result of the fact that, sadly, because they are seen more as swing voters.)


41 posted on 02/03/2012 11:09:34 AM PST by dangus
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To: Zionist Conspirator

By the way, why is this a “Catholic” issue? This isn’t Protestants and Jews sticking up for Catholics’ rights. Rather, what’s happened is that the Catholic Church has been most demonstrative in denouncing Obama’s plan, and getting all the headlines, and Protestants and Jews are piping up to say, “It’s not just Catholics; we’re all equally threatened by this.

(And no, I don’t mean to make it sound like Catholics have been “better on this issue.” The fact that they grabbed the headlines is a result of the fact that, sadly, because they are seen more as swing voters.)


42 posted on 02/03/2012 11:09:48 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
By the way, why is this a “Catholic” issue?

It isn't. It's good to see different religions coming together in common defense without watering down or compromising their own beliefs.

My previous post was perhaps ill-advised, but it was not emotional. Sometimes the consciences of non-Catholics are threatened by policies, and sometimes the Catholics (and other mainstream religions as well) don't seem to understand that for these others, being taught evolution (just as an example) is contrary to their consciences.

I didn't intend to start a fight on this thread, only to state an unpleasant truth that we shouldn't forget.

43 posted on 02/03/2012 1:15:32 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Well, I’ll concede this much to you: the distrust of religion in the public schools among Catholics runs a little deeper than just the militantly Leftist, heretical CINOs.

Protestants and Catholics both have vast numbers of largely secularized followers who largely believe in evolution. Secularized, but conservative Protestants tend to see religion in public schools as at least being on their side. Secularized Catholics, on the other hand, are inherently distrustful of anything that seems too Christian in the public schools. Here’s why:

In the 19th and early 20th century, as education became the norm, Catholics were exposed to vehemently anti-Catholic propaganda in the public schools, such as the near-uniform adoption of Foxe’s Book of the Martyrs as part of the curriculum, in some areas of the counties. They withdrew to private Catholics schools, and the Protestant majority forbade public expenditures on Catholic schools. They funded their own schools, and the Protestant majority prohibited instruction of Latin, even in private schools. They altered their curricula, and the Protestant majority determined they should pay for the schools they do not attend.

So, to a significant extent, many Catholics welcomed early court rulings which established that public schools must be religiously neutral. It meant they could now send their kids to the schools that they were forced to pay for. It’s only more recently, as the courts shifted from demanding religious neutrality to religious exclusion that Catholics have been offended by secularization; the atheists now discriminate against all Christians in much the same way that Protestants once discriminated against Catholics... and using many of the same precedents.

Unfortunately, significant sections of the secularized Catholic population still see “fundamentalist” Christianity as as great of a threat as anti-Christians. The resentment against being discriminated against remains, after the beliefs which were discriminated against have, sadly, faded. Which is precisely why I am happy to trumpet that Catholics and Protestants (and, yes, Jews) are allies against those who hate religion.


44 posted on 02/03/2012 1:46:21 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
I just finished reading a posting on FR about the Declaration of Independence's reliance on the works of St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, doctors of the Catholic faith. It was met by a blizzard of hate and bigotry.
I'm sorry to learn that. I would submit, as a Baptist, that
The Theme is Freedom:
Religion, Politics, and the American Tradition
by M. Stanton Evans
is a book you can cite to good effect in rebuttal. It gave me the distinct impression that some of what I learned in government school back in the Fifties was biased against Catholics in a way that escaped my notice.

45 posted on 02/03/2012 2:30:13 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Why, thank you. I’m also interested in history books, lately, and that seems interesting on both accounts.


46 posted on 02/03/2012 2:46:22 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
Re: your post 44. I was aware of most of those facts.

Does it not strike you as ironic that Catholics, who are the "Fundamentalist Protestants" of Europe, would become "the Jews of America?" At least Catholics have learned what being Jewish in Catholic Europe felt like. I suppose Protestants will learn if and when the moslems take over.

47 posted on 02/04/2012 4:38:05 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’ve always thought of it as the bull’s-eye of diabolical hatred, with each circle hating all those towards the middle, as they represent an antiquity they don’t understand, and a stubborn strength they envy. I don’t mean that everyone hates everyone, only that when hatred occurs, it flows towards the center.: The Jews in the middle, hated the most; even the secular Jews hating the Zionists and the orthodox Jews; then the Christian Catholics, then the secular Catholics, then the Christian Protestants, then the secular Protestants.


48 posted on 02/06/2012 5:46:56 AM PST by dangus
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To: dangus
I’ve always thought of it as the bull’s-eye of diabolical hatred, with each circle hating all those towards the middle, as they represent an antiquity they don’t understand, and a stubborn strength they envy. I don’t mean that everyone hates everyone, only that when hatred occurs, it flows towards the center.: The Jews in the middle, hated the most; even the secular Jews hating the Zionists and the orthodox Jews; then the Christian Catholics, then the secular Catholics, then the Christian Protestants, then the secular Protestants.

That makes a lot of sense. (Though you left out the Eastern Orthodox, Non-Chalcaedonians, and Nestorians.)

49 posted on 02/06/2012 6:58:39 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes, I consciously left them out, because I was looking at relationships within a society, and I’d be too sloppy and poorly informed to bracket them amongst Western groups. I have a great empathy for the Melchites, and have been teetering back and forth about joining them.


50 posted on 02/06/2012 7:41:16 AM PST by dangus
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