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How Not to Become a Catholic
Catholic Exchange ^ | February 16, 2012 | James Tonkowich

Posted on 02/16/2012 6:39:24 AM PST by NYer

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To: rwilson99

Dont think protestants like to do that rw....they still adhere to ‘me, my bible, and Jesus is all i need’.....until their minister says something they dont like then they go searching for the next ‘bible filled’ church.....etc, etc...


21 posted on 02/16/2012 9:51:59 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: raygunfan
Those with Firefox browsers should go to this website

http://theqandatimes.com/userend/index#nogo

Click on recent issues. Then select February 2012. It’s a PDF.
Scroll down to page 6 to the article titled, "Requirements to enter heaven".
Read Father Cleary’s opinion.

Apparently Fr. Cleary feels that if you follow your conscience and try to be good, that you will be saved. Just wow!
22 posted on 02/16/2012 10:17:47 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: NYer

That last paragraph really nails things.


23 posted on 02/16/2012 10:20:46 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: PetroniusMaximus
The author was not discussing his relationship with Jesus. He was discussing the intellectual objections others have to his conversion, or their own.
24 posted on 02/16/2012 10:45:38 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: raygunfan
So now, i guess our separated brethern can call this former minister a loser, who simply doesnt get the bible, etc, etc...shame...

“Perhaps I should study and think a bit more about the place of the Virgin Mary in the economy of salvation.” And what will come of that?

What would compel a person to ignore; to reject the command of God to study the scriptures and be conned into thinking the the commentary called the catechism of the Catholic religion would have more authority???

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

On the other hand, I guess I did demote the denomination from “church” to “ecclesial community,” the ministers from “fathers and brothers” to “separated brethren,” and Protestantism in general from “many expressions of the Body of Christ” to “a bunch of sects in imperfect communion with the Body of Christ.”

This guy ought to do some serious self examination...Wonder who he figures put him in the Protestant religion, leading a bunch of sinners to, where??? To whom???

All those years teaching untruth...It certainly wasn't God who lead him to the Protestant religion and then the Catholic religion...

Obviously he didn't find God in the scriptures so he's moved on to your religion to continue his search...If God is even what he's looking for...

25 posted on 02/16/2012 10:53:57 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
All these words about a supposed conversion and yet not one mention of “Jesus”.
This tells me all I need to know.

Exactly...He did mention Mary and her role in salvation tho...

But looking at the bright side, since he has no apparent connection to Jesus, it's good that he left the church he was in...Maybe God was leading him after all...

26 posted on 02/16/2012 10:57:43 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: marshmallow
All explained perfectly HERE and HERE

You don't have it down in your head and your heart where you can just say it (type it)??? You have to read it???

27 posted on 02/16/2012 11:04:04 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: crosshairs

a link to one priest, as opposed to what is the actual catholic teaching since the church was formed....tend to be a bit different...im surprised you would put up such a strawman.


28 posted on 02/16/2012 11:11:06 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: Iscool

he was a presbyterian minister, he attended a seminary and graduated, he also used scripture alone, faith alone, scripture to interpret scripture, etc, etc. just like all protestant theological seminaries teach...and just like you seem to be asking...

he did, and finally saw the truth back home to the roman church.


29 posted on 02/16/2012 11:14:11 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: ottbmare

“The author was not discussing his relationship with Jesus. He was discussing the intellectual objections others have to his conversion, or their own.”

My argument still applies.

Any conversion that fails to highlight Jesus is utterly empty - and may likely be nothing more than an intellectual switch akin to trading Plato for Socrates.


30 posted on 02/16/2012 11:44:20 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

But he was not discussing much about his own conversion experience, or what he heard from Christ in those silent moments of prayer. This is not an intimate portrait of his conversion. It is a discussion of the arguments of the intellect made by others.

You cannot see into the man’s soul; you can’t know what his relationship with Christ is like. It sounds a bit as though you think people have to qualify by using the Name of the Lord every x many words, or they just aren’t up to snuff. But I can’t find a place in Scripture where it says, “You must say or write ‘Jesus’ every three sentences or you aren’t a real Christian.”


31 posted on 02/16/2012 12:07:31 PM PST by ottbmare
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To: Iscool
You don't have it down in your head and your heart where you can just say it (type it)??? You have to read it???

Please. We've spent years explaining the Catholic faith in our own words, to you and numerous others on this forum. Get serious.

The poster was asking for information concerning Catholicism.

I provided it. In a comprehensive, articulate and most importantly, highly accurate form.

Sincere posters will appreciate that.

Time-wasters on the other hand.............

32 posted on 02/16/2012 12:11:30 PM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Jesus has more than one name. I guess you missed the part where he referred to Protestantism as being in imperfect union with the Body of Christ.


33 posted on 02/16/2012 12:29:06 PM PST by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Yours is a distinctly minority view. Here are various highly respected and internationally prominent lights of the Protestant faith who endorse the author. They represent the whole spectrum of evangelical and traditional or mainstream Christianity:

Endorsements of Jim Tonkowich as Christian speaker and writer

34 posted on 02/16/2012 12:45:26 PM PST by ottbmare
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To: Iscool
You don't have it down in your head and your heart where you can just say it (type it)??? You have to read it???

Thats what I've noticed around here. They flood you with a whole bunch of copy/paste stuff figuring quantity of words gives it legitimacy.
35 posted on 02/16/2012 12:45:32 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: ottbmare
You must say or write ‘Jesus’ every three sentences or you aren’t a real Christian.”

I remember after confessions, my "penance" was having to say 5 Hail Mary's and 3 Our Fathers. Or if I was REAL bad it was 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers. Is this what you mean?
36 posted on 02/16/2012 12:48:09 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: ottbmare

“You cannot see into the man’s soul; you can’t know what his relationship with Christ is like.”

I can read what he chose to write.

“It sounds a bit as though you think people have to qualify by using the Name of the Lord every x many words, or they just aren’t up to snuff.”

No. But a conversion story without a single reference to Jesus is incomprehensible.


37 posted on 02/16/2012 12:48:48 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: rwa265

“I guess you missed the part where he referred to Protestantism as being in imperfect union with the Body of Christ.”

No, I caught it.

The “Body of Christ” is a reference to the Church.


38 posted on 02/16/2012 12:50:03 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: raygunfan
a link to one priest, as opposed to what is the actual catholic teaching since the church was formed....tend to be a bit different...im surprised you would put up such a strawman.

His credentials, from a Catholic perspective, were impressive. It's not like he was Father Pfleger, or something.
39 posted on 02/16/2012 12:50:45 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: ottbmare

“Yours is a distinctly minority view. Here are various highly respected and internationally prominent lights of the Protestant faith who endorse the author. “

I’m sure there are a great many people who would endorse him. No doubt he’s probably a really nice guy.

I’m addressing a gaping hole in his article.


40 posted on 02/16/2012 12:55:04 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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