Rev. Franklin Graham: Romney Not a Christian

NewsMax ^ | February 21, 2012

[2ndDivisionVet]

The Rev. Franklin Graham says presidential candidate Mitt Romney is not a Christian.

Appearing on MSNBC’s Morning Joe show, Graham was asked whether Romney is a Christian.

Graham said he likes Romney, but added, “He’s a Mormon.”

When one of the hosts suggested Romney still is part of the “Judeo-Christian faith,” Graham responded: “Most Christians would not recognize Mormons as part of the Christian faith.”

“I’m just saying that most Christians would not recognize Mormonism. Of course they believe in Jesus Christ. They believe in a lot of other things, too, that we don't accept theologically.”(continued)

[Godzilla]

Based upon what? Mormon theology is diametrically opposed to Christian theology. Mormons themselves admit that their “Jesus” is not the same Jesus of Christianity.

0bama at least attends churches that are derived from Christianity - though we could argue some of the fundamentals and interpretations - they maintain as their doctrinal statements theology opposite to mormonism and within the circle of Christianity. So that when 0bama lays out his definition and terms they are compatable with Christianity in general. Mormonism’s use of those same terms have been redefined so that externally they appear “Christian” yet with further evaluation of mormon meaning become non-christian.

Huckabee had it right - mormon “Jesus” is the spirit brother of satan and not the God the Son, Second Person of the Trinity, creator of all - including satan. Graham has it correct as well. The mormon Jesus is only a cardboard cut out of the Real Jesus.

[Georgia Girl 2]

I’m glad to see he had the grit to just say it.

[KOPPKS]

Mormons are Christians! Those who do not believe this, do not understand the true history of the Trinity in the early Church. There is a great Web site that provides evidence (that is fully documented) to this point, which can be accessed by using the following link:

http://www.mormonsarechristians.us

[Belteshazzar]

So, your real point about the “true history of the Trinity” is that Mormons really are Christians because Christians who call themselves Christians aren’t really Christians. Did I get that about right?

And all this is fully documented?

Yes, and Obama’s long term budget projection that saves $4 trillion over the next ten years is also fully documented.

[caww]

Graham has spoken on other occasions concerning Obamas faith being questionable etc. He did however make the point that Obama was born a Muslim and his father was as well. Obama has stated he is and isn't a Muslim rather a Christian...so it's pretty tough to nail down just what Obama really believes...I personally don't think he has a belief other than lip service to whatever the moment might seem to dictate he should be.

On the other hand there is no question of Romney's belief in the teachings of LDS and his holding the Priesthood office within the organization. Further there's no question LDS is not Christian when one exams their doctrines and teachings...and for those who have there's no question Romney's "religion" is not Christian and why the Christian community does not accept Mormonism as Christian.

If Romney were genuinely a Christian he could not remain in the LDS. Impossible.

[caww]

No, the Mormon Organization does not teach Christianity, rather It hides itself behind a mask of Christian verbage in order to attempt to qualify itself as Christian. Most cults and false religions do this as well. Mormonism has every earmark of that which defines a cult....with just enough Christian verbage to bait and deceive the uninformed....for if they were familar with the scriptures and the teachings of Christ they would not remain Mormons nor would they have become one in the first place.

[caww]

Mitt Romney is fully aware of just whom the church worships, and as a member is not exempt from it’s control.

Exactly,.... and he fully understands the 'political agenda' of that leadership which he must be submissive to...though it's agenda is clouded with religious overtones it's nonetheless political first and foremost to all the leadership.

The members however are often kept in the dark of the full impact of their leaders agenda and unfortunately foot the bill for their endeavors and ambitions...just as takes place for all false religions and cults. The leadership needs the flow of revenue to continue, thus the enormous push and requirement to recruit new members to fill their coffers.

That is what they do when sending out their youth and others across the nation (required of it's members)...all in the name of their religion, when in fact these are the "ant laborers" for the Queen Bees to keep their bank vaults full while they take the peoples monies and invest in land acquisitions, developments and a host of other business ventures.

So when Romney talks about making his money thru investments....and his millions given for "charity" to his church...it really is all about the business ventures amongst the elite within their organization..dubbed a church...of which Romney and his family are one among the many.

[reaganaut]

Welcome, n00b. Stick around, read the threads and you will discover Mormons are anything BUT Christians. We do an excellent job of exposing Mormonism’s evil, unbiblical and heretical doctrines.

It is my understanding of the Early Church and the history of the Trinity that led me OUT of Mormonism and into Christianity.

[reaganaut]

Oh and don’t expect Mormon propaganda to go unchallenged on FR. It won’t.

Again, welcome and hopefully your eyes will be opened to the truth of the lies of Mormonism.

[Just mythoughts]

I have watched Mitt Romney flat out speak LIES.... Christians do not bear false witness.... no matter what denomination they follow. And Christians do not worship at the altar of that golden bull. This same standard applies to any and all no matter what they claim to be. Using the power of elected office to take from citizens to pay off campaign promises is NOT Christian either.

Oh, to be clear I am not talking about becoming wealthy by the sweat of ones own brow. God only required 10% of ones ‘profit’ to fund His work.

[Just mythoughts]

I have watched Mitt Romney flat out speak LIES.... Christians do not bear false witness.... no matter what denomination they follow. And Christians do not worship at the altar of that golden bull. This same standard applies to any and all no matter what they claim to be. Using the power of elected office to take from citizens to pay off campaign promises is NOT Christian either.

Oh, to be clear I am not talking about becoming wealthy by the sweat of ones own brow. God only required 10% of ones ‘profit’ to fund His work.

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n00b or retread?

[EDINVA]

This isn’t a matter of ‘opinion,’ yours or Rev. Graham’s. It’s theological. The theology of LDS is not Christian and is not recognized by any Christian denomination as such, not the Protestants, the Catholics, or the Orthodox.

On the other hand, “Trinity” Church of Rev. Wright fame is a branch of the United Church of Christ, which is a recognized Christian denomination. Interestingly, one of the fundamental beliefs that separates LSD from Christianity is recognition (or not) of a Triune God.

Rev. Graham’s response merely stated what is believed throughout Christendom, that LSD is not Christian. It has nothing to do with any individual member of any church, either Romney or Obama, and it has nothing to do with partisan politics. It has to do with the beliefs of the churches themselves..

[svcw]

mormonism teach a created christ
Christianity teaches an eternal Christ
mormonism teaches a progressed god who was once a man
Christianity teaches an eternal God
mormonism teaches salvation by works
Christianity teaches Salvation by Grace
mormonism is not in any fashion Christianity

[svcw]

retread
However, now they have their own web page, rather than posting on FR. I am expecting to see more links to their own page.

[presently no screen name]

Interesting. Thanks.

Their walking/talking billboard, mitt, is enough info about LDS for anyone to NEVER want to be associated with such a worldly organization. Liars are from the pit - and nothing about Christ in that - no matter what they are taught/think.

[greyfoxx39]

When only ONE of the fifteen top leaders of the mormon church has ANY religious or theological training, and the other fourteen are primarily businessmen or attorneys, it's pretty evident that Christianity is not the foundation of the sect.

Council on the Disposition of the Tithes

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The Council on the Disposition of the Tithes (also known as the Council on the Disposition of Tithing) is a leadership body in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, composed of the First Presidency, the Presiding Bishopric, and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. The Council determines how the tithing funds of the church will be spent. The Council oversees revenue, investments and expenditures valued at billions of dollars per year.

While the Church employs an independent auditing department which provides an annual report to the Church^[1], it has not published full financial reports since 1959.

The Council was established by church founder Joseph Smith, Jr. on 8 July 1838.^[2] As of April 2009, the members of the Council are:

• Thomas S. Monson, President of the Church University of Utah. BA Business management
• Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency Doctorate in Business Administration, Harvard Business School
• Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Second Counselor in the First Presidency started studying engineering at 18 but later continued in Business Administration in Cologne, Germany, graduated from the International Institute for Management Development,Lausanne, Switzerland.
• H. David Burton, Presiding Bishop University of Utah, BA economics, MA Business Administration from the University of Michigan
• Richard C. Edgley, First Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric BS, political science from Brigham Young University, MA business administration from Indiana University
• Keith B. McMullin, Second Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric ??
• Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Doctorate in educational administration from BYU, 1962
• L. Tom Perry, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Graduated from Utah State University in 1949 with a B.S. in business.
• Russell M. Nelson, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Medical Doctor with specialty as Cardiac Surgeon.
• Dallin H. Oaks, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Brigham Young University in accounting in 1954, and the University of Chicago Law School in 1957.
• M. Russell Ballard, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Prior to his call as a full-time Church leader, Elder Ballard had interests in the automotive, real estate, and investment businesses.
• Richard G. Scott, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles George Washington University, BS in Mechanical Engineering.
• Robert D. Hales, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles received degrees from the University of Utah and Harvard Business School.
• Jeffrey R. Holland, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles MA in Religious Education from BYU. Yale University, Ph.D in American Studies
• David A. Bednar, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles BA in communication, MA BYU in organizational communication, Doctorate in organizational behavior from Purdue University
• Quentin L. Cook, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Utah State University , BA in political science, Stanford Law School
• D. Todd Christofferson, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles BA from Brigham Young University, J.D. Duke University School of Law
• Neil L. Andersen, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles MBA degree, Harvard Business School.

[Biggirl]

That is why, if a person who is Mormon or Jehovah Witness, for example, was to come into the Catholic Church, they would have to go through the RCIA and be baptized.

[Biggirl]

If that be so, why is it that the vast majority of Christian churches DO NOT ACCEPT the Mormon baptism? Goes to show that the Mormon religion is another faith, it is not Christian.