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Does Rick Santorum Have a Satan Problem?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 2/21/12 | Peter Grier

Posted on 02/22/2012 6:52:16 AM PST by marshmallow

Parts of a 2008 speech by Rick Santorum have surfaced online, in which he says Satan is subverting great American institutions. Its appearance comes at a time in the campaign when Santorum's rivals are trying to make voters think twice about supporting him.

Does Rick Santorum have a Satan problem? Specifically, is it a political negative for him that the Drudge Report all day Tuesday has highlighted a story about a 2008 speech he gave at Ave Maria University in Florida in which he said America is under assault by Satan?

“Satan is attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that [have] so deeply rooted in the American tradition,” Mr. Santorum said in that 2008 speech.

Audio excerpts from the speech indicate that Santorum said Satan had successfully subverted academia first, followed by mainline Protestantism, which he said is “in shambles,” and then the culture. Politics came last.

“The body politic held up pretty well until the last couple of decades,” he said in the speech.

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1 posted on 02/22/2012 6:52:17 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I’d like to see Drudge highlight a speech from Bishop Romney to his LDS brethren.

*crickets chirping*


2 posted on 02/22/2012 6:54:49 AM PST by CASchack
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To: marshmallow

No. He lives according to his religion.

If you are an atheist you will notice that there is evil in the world. To you, evil might come from faulty brain wiring, ad childhoods, or just bad luck. Call it what you will.

He lives according to his religion. Which is allowed in this country.

It was the original point of this country.


3 posted on 02/22/2012 6:56:47 AM PST by Yaelle (Santorum for a stronger USA. Militarily. Economically. Morally.)
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To: CASchack

I’d like to see Drudge highlight a speech from Bishop Romney to his LDS brethren.

*crickets chirping*


Good point. We can bring out Reverend “chickensssssss coming home to roost” too.


4 posted on 02/22/2012 6:58:23 AM PST by Yaelle (Santorum for a stronger USA. Militarily. Economically. Morally.)
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To: marshmallow

No. Satan has a Santorum problem.


5 posted on 02/22/2012 7:00:38 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (whomever told fat black women they were sexy was lying.)
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To: marshmallow

Rick Santorum is speaking truth to a society that has forsaken truth. I agree with every word he says. His philosphy lines up with the Word of God.


6 posted on 02/22/2012 7:01:27 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: marshmallow

This is the ultimate tempest in a teapot. Yawn.


7 posted on 02/22/2012 7:01:39 AM PST by Antoninus (Mitt Romney -- attempting to execute a hostile take-over of the Republican Party.)
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To: marshmallow
“Satan is attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that [have] so deeply rooted in the American tradition,” Mr. Santorum said in that 2008 speech.

I pray every day that God deliver us from the Evil One.

Recognizing the problem is the first step to solving it.

8 posted on 02/22/2012 7:03:03 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: marshmallow
Is this a political negative for Santorum? Absolutely.

The statement will gain him some support. Those folks probably would have eventually gone for Santorum anyway. But it will put off LOTS of people that are currently sitting on the fence.

So it's a net loss, a major net loss.

It will hurt Santorum a little in the primaries, and hurt him a lot in the general election should he get the nomination.

Remember, the R nominee has to fight two opponents, Obama and the relentless MSM attack machine. Don't underestimate the power and ruthlessness of that machine! It ground up Palin, then spit her out.

9 posted on 02/22/2012 7:03:17 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Yaelle

He’s certainly no part time Christian.


10 posted on 02/22/2012 7:03:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marshmallow
Does Rick Santorum Have a Satan Problem?

could it be.........SATAN......well,


11 posted on 02/22/2012 7:04:55 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marshmallow

Santorum: America is being attacked by Satan.
Obama: America is The Great Satan.


12 posted on 02/22/2012 7:05:06 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Yaelle

(obligatory statement: I am a Newt supporter)

Look, I know what Santorum is trying to say about Satan and Protestantism. But there are millions of people who attend mainline Protestant churches, (maybe just on Easter and Christmas) who are not theologically savvy. I can tell you what they hear when Rick gives such a speech. They hear a Catholic telling them that their church is run by Satan. Now Rick had EVERY right to give that speech. But if he has no idea how that speech comes across to voters, 99% of whom have no idea what he’s talking about, then he may be way too politically tone deaf to beat Obama.


13 posted on 02/22/2012 7:08:00 AM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Vaquero

Santorum is the Church Lady and Mr. Rogers rolled into one.


14 posted on 02/22/2012 7:09:24 AM PST by petercooper (The one difference between Obama & Romney: Obama is only half white.)
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To: CASchack

[I’d like to see Drudge highlight a speech from Bishop Romney to his LDS brethren.]

Ditto. But it doesn’t change the fact that many perceive Santorum to be condescendingly preachy. Both Rick and Mitt are perhaps going to be considered to be on a track to godhood, or sainthood. It may be unfair in Rick’s case, but this is politics and half the country are effective atheists.


15 posted on 02/22/2012 7:13:07 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: marshmallow

So now believing two men can marry and women can kill their unborn babies is normal, while belief in the devil is not normal?

What a sad sick world...


16 posted on 02/22/2012 7:13:09 AM PST by icwhatudo
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To: Leaning Right

Unless, of course, this grows into a full-fledged debate.

Should religion truly become an issue in either the primary or the general election, many more voters are going to agree with Santorum than with Willard’s holy underpants or Barry0’s Rev. Wright racist theology.

I say shine the sun on the subject. Neither Mitt nor the Obama campaign can risk religion as an issue.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 7:13:27 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: marshmallow

America and the world have a Satan problem.

Extending the discussion, however, is NOT a campaign winner.

Truth is not always the friend of political reality.

In traffic I have a rule, “First, get through the intersection.”
You can worry about which lane you’re in later.
If you’re stuck behind 5 cars at the light, you may be in the correct lane, but you’re not making any progress.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 7:13:56 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

Well said.


19 posted on 02/22/2012 7:15:10 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
Does Rick Santorum Have a Satan Problem?

It's good to see a candidate who believes in the existence of a real Satan as opposed to a candidate, like Obama, who has only been the tool of Satan.
20 posted on 02/22/2012 7:15:16 AM PST by aruanan
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To: CASchack

[I’d like to see Drudge highlight a speech from Bishop Romney to his LDS brethren.]

Ditto. But it doesn’t change the fact that many perceive Santorum to be condescendingly preachy. Both Rick and Mitt are perhaps going to be considered to be on a track to godhood, or sainthood. It may be unfair in Rick’s case, but this is politics and half the country are effective atheists.


21 posted on 02/22/2012 7:15:57 AM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: marshmallow

Would be interesting to know how the Christian Science Monitor feels about Satan.

If they believe in Christ they must believe in Satan.

Who’s side are they on?


22 posted on 02/22/2012 7:18:52 AM PST by Venturer
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To: FatherofFive

Unfortunately you’ll notice by looking at the thread, many conservatives are rather embarrassed by this talk of faith and Christianity.

I’m hardly the best Christian but I’ll be damned (quite literally) if I choose to help the left drive Christianity from the public eye.


23 posted on 02/22/2012 7:18:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marshmallow
Heaven forbid. Oops, sorry I used the word Heaven. Anyway, someone forbid the press ever read President Washington's farewell address or the vast number of references by the founding fathers to God and good and evil. We modern Americans have evolved past those childish beliefs. We now have national health care, run away welfare, crime, unrestricted abortions, envy of others’ possessions, corrupt dealings in government. Ok, I know I can never run for president after this, But an old writing comes to mind. “If My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” if we make fun of a candidate for president, because he says the devil is taking aim at America, who does that leave? In the 70’s Up With People sang, “Which way America. This is my country and I want to know, which way America is going to go.”. So today, which way America?
24 posted on 02/22/2012 7:20:40 AM PST by Tex52
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To: petercooper
"...Santorum is the Church Lady and Mr. Rogers rolled into one....."

Are you referring to Mr. Rogers, the former Navy SEAL...?

25 posted on 02/22/2012 7:21:09 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: marshmallow

i listened to the video, heard nothing that was incorrect.


26 posted on 02/22/2012 7:21:09 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Jedidah
Neither Mitt nor the Obama campaign can risk religion as an issue.

I agree. But neither Mittens nor Obama will enter into an honest debate about this. It will be a total smear against Santorum, using his words against him in the worst possible way.

Obama's machine will do to Santorum what LBJ's machine did to Goldwater - smear a decent man.

27 posted on 02/22/2012 7:21:17 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: marshmallow
Christian Science is Satan's mouthpiece. It's "Christian" in the same way Mormonism is--in name only. See Galatians 1.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18)

28 posted on 02/22/2012 7:21:36 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

It wasn’t a political speech. It was a religious lecture given in the chapel of a Catholic university four years ago. Are Catholic to muzzle themselves even when they are in church? Secular atheists have no problem loudly proclaiming their faith.


29 posted on 02/22/2012 7:21:55 AM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: marshmallow
Does Rick Santorum have a Satan problem?

Only because Satan's greatest accomplishment is convincing people he doesn't exist.

30 posted on 02/22/2012 7:23:50 AM PST by rllngrk33 (Things will continue getting worse until January 21, 2013.)
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To: CASchack

LDS Mormon cult part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU721E0IJRI

LDS Mormon cult part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19EMjOLCIGo

Former Mormon Kay Brown explains why she left the LDS Mormon church:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57bHx5CU3jw


31 posted on 02/22/2012 7:24:40 AM PST by Mozilla (Defeat Romney first then defeat Obama)
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To: rllngrk33
Only because Satan's greatest accomplishment is convincing people he doesn't exist.

Marxists do the same thing.

32 posted on 02/22/2012 7:25:05 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: nonsporting

Amen. This criticism coming from the CSM, is, may I say, precious?


33 posted on 02/22/2012 7:26:40 AM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: marshmallow

We ALL have a satan problem, but only some recognize it and fight it.


34 posted on 02/22/2012 7:30:01 AM PST by Josephat (The old claim your evengelizing people who haven't heard the gospel, but go to a Catholic country tr)
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To: marshmallow
"Does Rick Santorum have a satan problem?"

The world has a satan problem.

35 posted on 02/22/2012 7:32:19 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: marshmallow

Does Peter Grier have a bias problem?

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1128431269/peter_grier_reasonably_small.jpg

Peter Grier @petergrier

Trying to figure out how to work Christine O’Donnell into Santorum and Satan story. Ideas?

Peter Grier @petergrier

Is race coming down to Romney v. Paul? Gingrich a fading angry wolverine. Santorum earnest, broke. http://bit.ly/Adwc14

http://twitter.com/#!/petergrier


36 posted on 02/22/2012 7:32:40 AM PST by kcvl
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To: HapaxLegamenon

You don’t understand what I’m saying. Of course it was a religious speech. I’m saying the fact that he and his supporters are angry that lots of people (including lots of conservatives) find this speech disturbing shows that he is tone deaf. A smart politician would have reviewed all the speeches he’d given BEFORE running for President and figured out how to respond to the inevitable uproar if and when they became public. Rick stated just four years ago that mainline Protestants have been subverted by Satan. Getting angry and insulting those who find that sound bite objectionable is not helpful.


37 posted on 02/22/2012 7:34:39 AM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Vaquero
Oh, Oh, Santorum is on the menu again!
38 posted on 02/22/2012 7:34:59 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Leaning Right
Is this a political negative for Santorum? Absolutely.

The statement will gain him some support. Those folks probably would have eventually gone for Santorum anyway. But it will put off LOTS of people that are currently sitting on the fence.

So it's a net loss, a major net loss.

Yup. With Santorum we are going to have an entire election focusing on rubbers, birth control pills, the influence of Satan, women in the workplace, etc. Some candidates with a record of comments like Rick's could move past them, but not Santorum. Noooo, he will be baited time and time again into talking about this stuff because in his heart, he WANTS to talk about it. Being a social conservative is really all he has ever been known for. So an election that should be a referendum on Hussein's horrific stewardship of the economy would instead turn on culture war issues, such as contraception, which have been long since decided.

With Santorum we will lose and lose big. This talk about contraception, Satan targeting America, whether it would be better if women were home having more babies, etc, will flat out turn off the vast majority of independent voters and many/most younger more libertine economic conservatives that were open to some parts of the conservative platform. Rick would lose by a minimum of 10 points - possibly as many as 15 or so. We will not win back the White House, we will not win back the Senate and we will almost certainly lose the House. Obama will have his mandate.

39 posted on 02/22/2012 7:36:06 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: G Larry
"Truth is not always the friend of political reality."

Perhaps it's time we start working on that. First step...bring back the tar and feathers.

40 posted on 02/22/2012 7:36:37 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Amen!


41 posted on 02/22/2012 7:37:17 AM PST by MachIV
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To: cripplecreek

Amen. I get the same thing in the “real world” as well. Almost everyone is embarrassed to talk about it.

I kinda made a “big stink” at work not too long ago. When the powerball reaches a high amount, we each put in money and play.

We have one lady in the office (who I call a witch). She’s into spells, chants and all that crap. One day she came into work, reached into her blouse and shoved her new pentagram necklace in my face.

Any who, one powerball play she mentioned she was going to do a chant so we would win. I refused to participate. My boss asked me why (we really just do it for fun) and I told him.

He called her in and told her no way in heck can she do any spells or chants or any such things when it comes to us as a group. Whatever she does on her time is her business...DON’T get the office involved.

She went ahead and told a few people she was upset that I wasn’t playing because of her “devil crap” and what our boss told her. She told me I could play because she wasn’t going to do any of her evil stuff and I told her “no, I’m not playing because I don’t believe you”.

My boss and I never discussed God, the Bible, evil, any such thing before this...although I’ve tried. He is so much more open to discussing it now.

He even tells me he prays and that we MUST keep praying for what is best!! THAT’S a new thing!!


42 posted on 02/22/2012 7:49:50 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: marshmallow

43 posted on 02/22/2012 7:52:15 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Leaning Right

So the MSM attack machine ground up Palin and spit [sic] her out. Their spittin’ distance must be pretty short considering the influence she wielded in ‘06 and what she will wield this year. Heck, why bother with HBO movies if she’s no longer a threat?


44 posted on 02/22/2012 7:53:35 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Victor
Mr. Rogers, the former Navy SEAL

LOL - not!

45 posted on 02/22/2012 7:55:25 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: rllngrk33
"Only because Satan's greatest accomplishment is convincing people he doesn't exist."

Most truthful statement on earth.

46 posted on 02/22/2012 7:56:57 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: icwhatudo
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." ~Verbal Kint, The Usual Suspects
47 posted on 02/22/2012 7:58:45 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

Christians, that is members of Christian churches that still adhere to what’s written in the Bible, know they have no quarrel with Santorum. It’s the ChrINOs who have trouble—those who believe in abortion, in gay marriage, sexual promiscuity at any level, married or openly gay “priests,” and SOCIAL JUSTICE as determined and administered by the state.

You think Newt would answer any differently? Only at his peril—politically and otherwise.


48 posted on 02/22/2012 8:00:36 AM PST by Mach9
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To: NoGrayZone
“Various are the pleas and arguments which men of corrupt minds frequently urge against yielding obedience to the just and holy commands of God.”

-Reverend George Whitfield
49 posted on 02/22/2012 8:01:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Victor

I would guess he was referring to Mr. Rogers the childrens TV show host.


50 posted on 02/22/2012 8:01:31 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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