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Church Could Be Forced To 'Give Up' Public Work, Cardinal George Warns
EWTN.com ^ | 2/28/12 | Cardinal George

Posted on 02/29/2012 3:44:36 AM PST by EBH

The Obama administration is effectively telling Catholics to abandon their work in the public square, according to Chicago's Cardinal Francis E. George.

'This year, the Catholic Church in the United States is being told she must 'give up' her health care institutions, her universities and many of her social service organizations. This is not a voluntary sacrifice,' warned the cardinal and former president of the U.S. Catholic bishops' conference.

In his Feb. 26 Catholic New World column, the cardinal said these public ministries may come to an end because of the 'much-discussed Department of Health and Human Services regulations now filed and promulgated for implementation beginning Aug. 1 of this year.'

The rules in question, formulated as part of federal health care reform, force many religious institutions to provide employees with contraception, sterilization, and abortion-causing drugs, without a co-pay through their health care plans.

Unless the rule is halted, Cardinal George said, institutions may be forced to choose between dropping their religious identity or abandoning their work.

He offered a striking picture of 'what will happen if the HHS regulations are not rescinded.'

'A Catholic institution, so far as I can see right now, will have one of four choices,' he explained.

The first would be to 'secularize itself, breaking its connection to the church, her moral and social teachings and the oversight of its ministry by the local bishop.'

The second choice would involve paying 'exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable.'

A ministry's only other choices would involve transferring ownership to a non-Catholic group or the government ' or shutting down altogether.

In his column, Cardinal George also argued against tactics he said were being used to marginalize the Church in its opposition to the contraception mandate.

One such argument claims that 'the majority of Catholics use artificial contraception,' and Church institutions should therefore be forced to provide it to employees.

But this argument assumes that the moral law should conform to human behavior, rather than the other way around.

'Behavior doesn't determine morality. If it can be shown that a majority of Catholic students cheat on their exams, it is still wrong to cheat on exams. Trimming morality to how we behave guts the Gospel call to conversion of life and rejection of sin.'

Advocates of the contraception mandate also call attention to some Catholics' disagreement with Church teaching.

Cardinal George noted that there have 'always been those whose personal faith is not adequate to the faith of the Church.' But this does not change the fact that bishops 'are the successors of the apostles; they collectively receive the authority to teach and govern that Christ bestowed upon the apostles.'

The bishops, he said, speak 'for the Catholic and apostolic faith. Those who hold that faith gather with them; others go their own way. They are and should be free to do so, but they deceive themselves and others in calling their organizations Catholic.'

The cardinal invited the Catholic laity, and other concerned citizens, to 'step back and understand what is happening to our country as the church is despoiled of her institutions and as freedom of conscience and of religion become a memory from a happier past.'

'The suffering being imposed on the church and on society now is not a voluntary penance. We should both work and pray to be delivered from it.'


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I wonder if the government's plan all along has been to take over these hospitals etc. not to shut them down, but for those hospitals to become the government's own medical facilities.

So they could not outright take over the hospitals in the 0bamacare program, but they could do it by removing religion.

A backdoor fascist tactic.

1 posted on 02/29/2012 3:44:45 AM PST by EBH
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To: EBH

Committing Obamacide on the Catholic public works system? I believe that’s exactly what the Leftists are up to.


2 posted on 02/29/2012 3:54:25 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: EBH

Obama wants everything done with UNION labor.

UNION jobs are the ONLY jobs he EVER promotes.


3 posted on 02/29/2012 3:54:42 AM PST by CMailBag
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To: EBH

“Unless the rule is halted, Cardinal George said, institutions may be forced to choose between dropping their religious identity or abandoning their work.”

Why don’t they refuse to comply instead?


4 posted on 02/29/2012 4:01:01 AM PST by Nickname
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To: Nickname
I think you missed the reason.... The second choice would involve paying 'exorbitant annual fines to avoid paying for insurance policies that cover abortifacient drugs, artificial contraception and sterilization. This is not economically sustainable.'
5 posted on 02/29/2012 4:18:51 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH

“Church Could Be Forced To ‘Give Up’ Public Work, Cardinal George Warns”

That’s EXACTLY what Obama&goons want: to push the religious institutions OUT of public life.


6 posted on 02/29/2012 4:21:02 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: EBH
"A backdoor fascist tactic." ______________________ Not backdoor at all. It's a clear attempt to break in through the front door of our constitution.
7 posted on 02/29/2012 4:40:01 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

-—It’s a clear attempt to break in through the front door of our constitution.——

Yup. The govt schools have destroyed the public’s ability to resist.

It grieves me to say this, but when the Catholic hospitals are sold-off to the govt, there won’t be any more resistance than we’re experiencing now.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 4:45:38 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: EBH

I agree this seems their plan all along. The Dewey eyed educators have been been telling their own that Education has replaced the Church and Educators the new prophets-leading the people to a bright and shining future if only they would reach beyond what they learned at home and “in church” and follow their enlightened educators.(This since the sixties) Most “progressives” are the proud product of the public education system and a Marxist Communist atheistic dominated higher education. As Lincoln reportedly wrote in a hornbook the philosophy of the classroom in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next. And if Lincoln wrote such as a student I reckon others did. And the enemy is not dumb— but he is beguiling They know our history better than we seem to sometimes.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 4:49:51 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: Nickname

——Why don’t they refuse to comply instead?-——

Simple: cowardice. If the bishops won’t excommunicate flagrant sinners like Pelosi, there’s no way they’re going to advocate civil disobedience.

Civil disobedience would be justifiable, but it’s hard to think of an effective tactic. The IRS would seize Church bank accounts. Odumbo is smart enough not to drag nuns out of hospitals in handcuffs.

OTOH, charity will continue at a personal and church level. This may improve the health of the Church, overall.


10 posted on 02/29/2012 4:55:13 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Come on....

Where’s your faith? We will defeat this in court.

;-)


11 posted on 02/29/2012 5:11:58 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Nickname

Many of these Catholics supported nobama because of his socialist bent on various social issues including illegal immigration. Now they must pay the piper. Wake up, people!


12 posted on 02/29/2012 5:34:54 AM PST by ogen hal
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To: ogen hal
Now they must pay the piper.

Think about that the next time you need to go to a hospital...and it is run by the government.

You might want to look here to get an idea of the level of impact within your state alone!

CHAUSA

13 posted on 02/29/2012 6:14:14 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: EBH

That is why the church shouldn’t have supported nobama in the first place.


14 posted on 02/29/2012 6:58:31 AM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: EBH

The epiphany I had last week seems to be on track...

I have been mulling over in my mind Obama’s decision to declare war on the Catholic Church.
Obama is many things, but he is not stupid.
So why would Obama throw himself on the “contraceptive” sword? Some say it was a misstep, but I am not so sure. If so, why not correct it?

The Catholic Church I believe is the ONLY Christian denomination that completely opposes contraceptives.
Historically the Protestant and Catholic relationship is shaky at best. Many Protestants founders of this country came to America to escape religious persecution and away from the reach of the Catholic Church.

Divide and conquer is an age old battle strategy.

How easy for Obama to divide the Christian community along the lines of a solely Catholic issue. An issue in which even the majority of church-going Catholics have been disobedient to Church teachings.

I believe Obama carefully chose a solely Catholic, and unpopular teaching to divide Christians and even Catholics with the precision of a surgical knife while anesthetizing the public with phrases like “women’s rights”, “Catholics don’t follow this teaching”, “it’s a contraceptive issue”, “the Catholic Church needs to move into the modern world”.

Maybe we are being distracted from the END GAME.
The Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable organizations in the USA. This 2005 report shows Catholic Charities as being the 9th largest in the USA, 61% of funding coming from the government. There are other Catholic Charities as well, which operate at a high efficiency level, providing aid to the poor at low cost. The Catholic Church and their charities in addition to health, welfare and education providers are also a public representation of a Christ.

The Catholic Church WILL close down their hospitals, their schools, their orphanages in response to the HHS requirement to provide contraceptives and abortifacients.

Is that Obama’s end game?
With the Catholic charities closed, the poor will have nowhere to turn other than the government. A government which is fighting to remove God from the public arena.
The liberal media would like the public to believe this debate is about “contraceptives”. It is about so much more than that.

Does anyone believe Obama will stop with the Catholic Church and it’s religious objections to contraceptives?

I am terrified for our country if Obama wins. We will be one step closer to being the non-Christian nation Obama envisions us to be, with statist control over even our consciences.
History has shown where that will lead.
I hope our nation wakes up before it is too late.

Others are coming to the same conclusion:
“But sooner or later, leftists like Obama - as well as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, etc. etc. - always push for more and more regulation. And off at the end, their ultimate purpose is to subordinate traditional institutions entirely to the bureaucratic dictates of the all-powerful state.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/obamas-left-always-was-anti-faith-and-family/382561


15 posted on 02/29/2012 7:19:04 AM PST by Jackaroo
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To: EBH

I reject the underlying premise in the argument, i.e., that only official church organizations have real religious freedoms.

Liberties are not held nor practiced by proxy. A Christian businessman should have no less religious freedom than his priest.

This liberty by proxy issue is being conceded, in the desire to protect the church itself. But WE are the church.


16 posted on 02/29/2012 8:30:54 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Oh I don’t disagree with you there.

BUT, ask any individual Catholic or Christian for that matter if they will comply with the healthcare mandate and you will get hundreds of excuses.

Unfortunately as a test of faith...to reject the insurance that demands the payment for murder by all who participate, many will fail.

So the question for faithful Catholics is, “Will you trust God with your healthcare?”


17 posted on 02/29/2012 11:24:55 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The civil disobediance must not come from the clergy, but from the people of faith.


18 posted on 02/29/2012 11:27:04 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Nickname

I agree with you. Also, I think the idea that the Church would suffer from impossibly high fines misses the point. JUST DON’T PAY THEM. Start massive civil disobedience campaigns. There are 65 million Catholics in this country. If only 1 million of them engaged in civil disobedience all of Obama’s tyranny would be overthrown in a fortnight.


19 posted on 02/29/2012 3:44:55 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Jackaroo

The flaw in your theory is that it this has not divided Christians. Even Protestants - most of whom are just fine will all or most forms of birth control and even abortions in some cases - realize that Obama is attacking freedom of religion and oppose the attack. Obama is not dividing Christians. He is forcing lazy or lapsed Christians to become more ardently secularist in their views. Those lazy, increasingly government dependent, losers will naturally side with Obama against the Catholic Church. They want to fornicate and avoid responsibility. In the process, Obama paints himself as a man of reason and modernity who is not forcing any Catholic institution to do anything but instead is forcing the greedy insurance companies to provide the pill to women so they can live their lives as they want (and seemingly not pay a penny for it).


20 posted on 02/29/2012 3:55:07 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: EBH
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21 posted on 03/03/2012 2:58:37 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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22 posted on 03/03/2012 3:00:54 PM PST by narses
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
it’s hard to think of an effective tactic

If the thinking has cowardice as the starting point.

The Church should begin excommunicating all the deviant nuns and teachers; demand strict compliance with the Catholic dogma in all her institutions; state firmly that she will not comply with any form of contraception mandate and ask the faithful not to comply; pull the assets from unaffiliated banks and don't pay any fines.

A principled approach will draw faithful to the Church and expel those who should have left a long time ago.

23 posted on 03/04/2012 7:30:55 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

-—— The Church should begin excommunicating all the deviant nuns and teachers; demand strict compliance with the Catholic dogma in all her institutions;-——

I’m all for that, but this won’t stop Obama.

-——state firmly that she will not comply with any form of contraception mandate and ask the faithful not to comply; pull the assets from unaffiliated banks and don’t pay any fines.———

They’ll put liens on Church properly, etc.

——A principled approach will draw faithful to the Church and expel those who should have left a long time ago.-——

True, but it won’t prevent asset seizure.

In the long run, confiscation of Church property may purify the Church, but Obama’s not interested in that.

I’m all for fighting the mandate, but we need to make our efforts as effective as possible.

The more I think about it, I think the best approach would be for priests to advocate, from the pulpit, voting against Obama. Let Obama take away the Church’s 501(c)3 status. Now THAT would ignite a firestorm.

Priests would be able to speak freely. The Church would be poorer, but better able to teach.


24 posted on 03/05/2012 7:14:48 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I realize that the non-payment option will be defeated in the courts, and of course it should be exercised together with general return to Catholic orthodoxy in matters of the dictrine on sexual sin, and robust involvement of the Church in civic affairs.

The Church should demonstrate that her mandate is not to protect material assets. She should be ready to take a hit in terms of financial pressure because of the fines and subsequent liens, as well as the loss of the tax exempt status. The purpose of refusing to pay the tax is not to save money but to drive home the point that no one should obey unjust laws. Build ye treasure in Heaven.


25 posted on 03/05/2012 5:30:54 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: EBH

0bama cannot stand competition. He always tries to find some way to eliminate it without getting his hands dirty.


26 posted on 03/05/2012 5:33:13 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: annalex

Yes. I hope the bishops don’t buckle.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 5:51:03 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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