Let me get this straight...the Mormon god determines that who does and who doesn't have certain positions in the Mormon church by sheer reason of skin color alone. That's what the Mormon church did -- and that's what this BYU prof just reinforced.
Doesn't that make the Mormon god a racist?
There.
I said it. I accuse the false god of Mormonism -- the God that is NOT of the Bible -- of being a racist.
ALL: Watch this Andrew Rannells singing 'I believe' -- note the line where this Mormon "missionary" tries to proclaim the Mormon "gospel" to a black person.
Here's the quote in context...From the article: During an interview with The Washington Post BYU Professor Randy Bott’s explains the denial of priesthood to blacks as saving them from “the lowest rungs of hell reserved for people who abuse their priesthood powers.” Bott quoted as saying, "You couldn't fall off the top of the ladder because you weren't on the top of the ladder. So, in reality the blacks not having the priesthood was the greatest blessing god could give them." Don Harwell is the president of the Genesis group for African American MORMONS. “How do people come up with this stuff?” asked Harwell...Even more disappointing to Harwell is Bott had served in local leadership positions within the church such as a bishop, high councilor and mission president. Harwell said, "I have yet to read in the scriptures that says the Lord denied us the priesthood. I could be wrong but I read my scriptures every night."
Now...with BYU professors making these kind of comments, who doesn't think this kind of thing wouldn't be a daily drumbeat if it came down to Romney vs. Obama?
The MSM must think Mitt has this thing wrapped to bringing this out now.
Well, yes.
Hasn’t this been obvious to anyone with half a brain since Romney first began running against the Mulatto?
Race, race, race. Obama has used the race card ever since he first came on the national scene, with no basis whatsoever.
So what does the braindead opposing party do? Hand him the ammo: Nominate a candidate with a long heritage of verifiable racist beliefs.
Just wrap that second term up in a big glittery bow right now and hand it to the Marxist.
I want to cry.
Will someone with clout PLEASE pull the cord on the Romney campaign?
I thought there was something about the story of Cain and Able where God marked Cain. The belief was that the skin color of blacks was a sign of that mark as decendants- ergo, the different treatment.
All three share a base assumption that blacks are inherently inferior, and are therefore not able to:
1) fend for themselves in this cold, cruel world, in the case of slavery
2) succeed on their own merits, in the case of affirmative action
3) understand theological concepts, in the case of the Mormon bishop
All three arguments are disgraceful.
Oh oh.....the head Mormon is about to have another revelation to clear this up......depending on what the lawyers say.
Boy, if the mormon grassroots are giving it to the Mormon hierarchical racists on the Eve of Super Tuesday...just wait til Obama & the MSM launch their SuperTuesday, their SuperWednesday, their SuperThursday, ... diatribes vs. Racist Mitt...
Way to go establishment Republicans...putting a good ole boy country club Repub in the lead ... a guy who's nailed the "no blacks allowed" on the outside of the club and gave 10% of his income to the club...and what? No peep about the racist policies the first 13 years of his adult life? Why not, Mitt?
RINOmney is the PERFECT intersection of exactly what Obama wants in an opponent:
1. Has a history of firing people - and saying he likes to do so
2. Represents the rich, white, Wall Street target
3. Is the 1%
4. Belongs to a cult
5. Belongs to a cult that discriminated against blacks
6. Gives cover against Obamacare becoming an issue
7. White, stiff, no passion, milk toast
8. Former animal abuser
9. Can’t excite his own base
10. Doesn’t attract Reagan Democrats
11. No one in his family has served in the Armed Forces of the USA
12. Appointed Democrats as judges in MA
13. Can barely carry the state he grew up in, where his father was governor
14. Has been on the same side of every issue Obama is on - gay rights, abortion, government healthcare, government mandates
15. Continually demonstrates he is completely out of touch with the struggles of the ordinary working guy (blue or white collar)
He ain’t my candidate. He is Obama as a RINO - or worse. Not even remotely close to being conservative.
Now THERE's a fellow angling for Hinckley's job!!
In case you don't recognize the title of this post, it is part of President Hinckley's answer to a reporter's question that appeared in the August 4 1997 issue of Time magazine. The reporter referenced the King Follett discourse. The answer supplied and the manner in which it was delivered caused the reporter to draw some false conclusions about a very important doctrine.The bothersome reply
"I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
The reporter wrote, "On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain." That's an unfortunate conclusion. Of course I wasn't at the interview and neither were you but I'll bet the reporter mistook careful thoughtfulness for uncertainty. This doctrine is indeed deep territory and not something that is taught outside the LDS Church.
An earlier and similar interview
The San Francisco Chronicle, published an interview with President Hinckley in April of 1997. The reporter asked, "There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormon's believe that God was once a man?" President Hinckley responded, "I wouldn't say that. There is a little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'"
He then said, "Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about." The reporter pounced on this. "So you're saying that the church is still struggling to understand this? " President Hinckley responded, "Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly."
President Hinckley's response
President Hinckley said in October 1997 General Conference: "I personally have been much quoted, and in a few instances misquoted and misunderstood. I think that's to be expected. None of you need worry because you read something that was incompletely reported. You need not worry that I do not understand some matters of doctrine.
"I think I understand them thoroughly, and it is unfortunate that the reporting may not make this clear. I hope you will never look to the public press as the authority on the doctrines of the Church." And there lies the whole point of my post today. Some members did indeed become a little concerned by the exchanges they read in the press reports of those interviews.
Does the Church still teach this?
I know this is old news but it still bothers some people when they discover the anti-Mormon attacks floating around on the Internet. President Hinckley was right. We really don't know much about how our Heavenly Father became a God. The idea that he passed through a mortal probationary state like you and me is certainly not documented in any scripture of which I know.
However, it is still taught. In the Gospel Principles manual in the chapter on exaltation we read, "Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46)."
Summary and conclusion
I don't know why this should bother anyone. The doctrine is true. Joseph Smith knew a whole lot more about this than I do. President Hinckley also knew a whole lot more about this doctrine than he was willing to share with reporters who did not have the background to understand it. It must have been difficult for President Hinckley to hold back and not teach it in those interviews.
It didn't bother me when I read the interviews back in 1997 and it doesn't bother me today. However, I know it does bother some people. We each have trials of our faith. I have never depended on an intellectual understanding of the gospel in order to accept it and live it. There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
There are some things that just can't be fully comprehended without the temple, prayer and faith.
No!!
That CAN'T be right; CAN it??
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.
The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.
This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."
Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.
Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.
2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'
Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'
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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:
(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)
1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson "The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."
We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood. According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented. |
Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:
"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.
The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."
(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).
When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:
"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."
When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)
Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.
“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.
At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.
One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.
(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)
(At LEAST they didn't paint it on no steenkin' ROCK!)
NOw if we only knew WHICH of the volumes of 'scripture' he was talking about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham
Another one??
I’m a white southerner.
My culture and my family and myself are or have been under literal and metaphorical attacks from blacks and other minorities for decades.
Ask me if I give a shite about this crap.
Yankees who never deal with minorities keep their panties in a wad over anything to do with crackers thinking or acting bad over the poor black man.
I could care less. My culture is the one under attack, the only thing attacking them is themselves and pandering.
Mormons are mostly irrelevant.
I despise Romney for being a liberal and a liar but race card playing by conservatives smells like runny fresh dog poop.
"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."
said,