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Trouble in Vatican: Pontifical Acad mmbrs upset with ethics deficit at infertility conference (CC)
Life Site News ^ | February 29, 2012 | KATHLEEN GILBERT

Posted on 03/01/2012 3:44:31 PM PST by NYer


PAV Assembly in a conference center next to St. Peter's Basilica

VATICAN CITY, February 27, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A gathering of the Vatican’s own academy for promoting respect for life was met with palpable discontent from its own members and other registrants after presenters on the topic of infertility alluded to in-vitro fertilization (IVF) and other artificial reproduction technologies as “natural” and legitimate for treating patients, despite their conflict with Catholic moral teaching.

In addition, one prominent Catholic doctor who noted the link between the birth control pill and breast cancer was told by the moderator that his claim was false.

The Pontifical Academy for Life (PAV) on Friday took up the topic of managing infertility at its 18th General Assembly

A press packet included an interview with PAV President Bishop Ignacio Carrasco de Paula emphasizing the Assembly would not be “dealing with ethical considerations of artificial fertilization” because “that’s a different subject”. The bishop, who in 2010 publicly criticized the awarding of a Nobel prize to a pioneer of in vitro fertilization, said that the February 24 Vatican workshop’s concern was to utilize a “rigorously medical and scientific” approach to divulge insufficiently known methods of fertility treatment to couples.

While some attendees said much of the conference offered helpful insights into the causes of infertility, such as delaying pregnancy and environmental factors, and presented some excellent new research on treating infertility causes,  the majority of speakers also discussed such procedures as IVF and intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI) as viable alternatives for couples having difficulty conceiving. The speakers were selected by the PAV leadership.

At least three of the four morning speakers, according to witnesses, referred to IVF as an appropriate option for some female sufferers of infertility. And although witnesses say moderators distanced the PAV’s views from the presenters’, the assurance fell short for audience members who gave vent to frustration during the day.

During the lunch break, one prominent member told LifeSiteNews that the morning sessions were “the best case you get for amoral science.” Another called the conference “a disaster” and another “a tragedy”.

In the afternoon session, Eberhard Nieschlag of the Center for Reproductive Medicine and Andrology at the University of Münster noted that artificial insemination “can be tried if there are not enough sperm” and, after showing a video of a needle forcing a sperm into a human egg, described the process as “not really artificial.”

Pressed on the point by an audience member during a later Q&A (see audio file below), Nieschlag defended the remark by saying that “the actual fertilization process is completely natural.” “The way to bring the sperm and the egg together [is artificial] but the fertilization is not artificial,” he said. “That’s what I mean. But I think it’s mainly a semantic problem.”

Listen to brief audio of some notable excerpts from Q & A session at the end of the conference:

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The audience responded to the last remark with a growing clamor, including some rapping on their chairs in protest.

“I think from the audience’s reaction it’s clearly not,” chairperson Prof. Angelique Goverde interjected, adding that she would not enter “a theoretical or philosophical or religious debate” but the audience response indicated “we have a different point of view in this concern.”

The teaching authority of the Catholic Church has stated that artificial reproduction is morally objectionable, not only because techniques such as IVF regularly dispose of human embryos and “reduce” multiple pregnancies with abortions, but because children have a right to be conceived naturally in the marital act and not as a consumer product.

On its website, the PAV describes itself as existing “for the promotion and defense of human life, especially regarding bioethics as it regards Christian morality.”

Another conflict arose after several audience members challenged the morning speakers for emphasizing beneficial effects of the hormonal birth control pill on women’s health, to the exclusion of its detriments. Thomas Hilgers, Director of the National Center for Women’s Health at the Pope Paul VI Institute for the Study of Human Reproduction, took to the microphone to point out that this tack fell in line with “a major marketing component of the oral contraceptive for the last ten years.”

“They’ll raise things like, once raised this morning, that you can cut the ovarian cancer rate in half [by taking oral contraceptives]. Well that’s good, but what if you increase the breast cancer rate in the process, or the cervical cancer rate?” he said. “It’s given as a health benefit without looking at the health implications, and that’s an unbalanced view, but it’s being sold that way, and it’s on purpose.”

Chairperson Goverde interjected asserting to the contrary that oral contraceptives did not increase the breast cancer risk but did agree that it increased the cervical cancer risk. Hilgers interjected to refer Goverde to a 2006 meta-analysis by the Mayo clinic showing the pill’s clear link to breast cancer. Hilgers later pointed to Ortho Tri-Cyclen’s own documentation showing the breast cancer link.


IVF industry eclipses real science: expert

Hilgers’ half-hour talk outlined the significant success of NaPro technology, a cost-effective method for discovering and treating underlying causes of infertility, and one that is not “built on a foundation of destroying life.” However, he said, these gains have been largely eclipsed by the IVF industry, particularly in the United States: had it not been for the race to create children artificially, said Hilgers, “we probably would have had a cure for infertility by now.”

The NaPro expert’s presentation that was fully in line with Catholic moral ethics was met with sustained applause far exceeding that given for any of the other speakers of the day.

In later remarks to LSN, the doctor expressed concern that the crowding-out of real infertility treatment by the IVF mindset was reflected at the conference itself.

Hilgers, a member of the PAV since 1994 and an international leader in his field, said the science of the day’s speakers “wasn’t good at all” and named several experts who could have offered insights into authentic fertility treatment, but said the conference didn’t approach him for suggested names. According to the PAV website, topics and speakers are chosen from a pool of submitted professional papers by a Governing Council currently composed of four lay experts and two clerics.

Not all PAV conferences have been so controversial: Hilgers pointed out that last year’s conference on the psychological effects of abortion featured “really good” experts and information. However, he said, like a similar fertility conference by the academy over a decade ago, Friday’s was problematic for featuring “one IVF person after another.”

“[This year’s conference was] a huge disservice to Catholics everywhere for the Pontifical Academy for Life, which is the major Catholic pro-life organization you could say, to come into formal cooperation with a group of people who are diametrically opposed to the Church’s teaching,” he said.

Others told LifeSiteNews.com (LSN) that at a follow-up meeting Saturday morning for official members, several members expressed their discontent regarding the selection of speakers and the lack of ethical context throughout most of the day. One PAV member called it a “pile-on”. It was said that more wanted to express similar comments but were not recognized by the PAV leadership.


‘The arrogance of taking the place of the Creator’

The following morning, the speakers, PAV members, and others at the conference attended a special PAV audience with Pope Benedict XVI in the Apostolic Palace.

In contrast to the conference’s avoidance of Catholic ethical concerns, a notably subdued pontiff emphasized the moral roots of reproduction in the conjugal act and warned against the fertility industry’s lure of “easy income, or even worse, the arrogance of taking the place of the Creator,” quoting his own words from 2008. “The human and Christian dignity of procreation, in fact, doesn’t consist in a ‘product’, but in its link to the conjugal act, an expression of the love of the spouses of their union, not only biological but also spiritual,” said Benedict.

The pope also warned that the “indifference of conscience to what is true and good represents a dangerous threat to genuine scientific progress,” as “scientism and the logic of profit” now dominate the field “to the point of limiting many other areas of research.”

“The humility and precision with which you study these issues, considered obsolete by some of your colleagues before the allure of the technology of artificial insemination, deserves encouragement and support,” he said.

One member said the pope’s remarks were a saving grace for the troubled conference.

“If it weren’t for the pope’s speech, the conference would have been a devastating blow to truth,” the member said.


Contact information:

pav@acdlife.va

See list of staff and members of PAV


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: contraception; ivf; moralabsolutes; pav; thomashilgers

1 posted on 03/01/2012 3:44:32 PM PST by NYer
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Catholic Caucus Thread


Additionally from Life Site News ...

Controversy at Vatican PAV meeting was surprising

Kathleen Gilbert and I attended our first ever Pontifical Academy for Life Assembly in Rome last weekend. We did not expect all the controversy that occurred which you will read about in Kathleen’s Wednesday report. The conference held much promise regarding the growing problem of infertility in both the developing and developed world.

However, something went very wrong last weekend, as has happened a number of times in the past few years with the PAV due to decisions by its clergy leadership. Hopefully, our report will help Vatican authorities to finally end these recurring problems within this much needed Academy initiated by Pope John Paul II that deals with the all-important life issues.

Note that we have added an interesting brief audio recording (middle of story) of a few lively excerpts from the Q&A at the end of the conference.

Steve Jalsevac
LifeSiteNews.com

Why abortion is the opposite of love - Fr. Frank Pavone

2 posted on 03/01/2012 3:47:23 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

And, so, the war CONTINUES.

Nothing new with that.


3 posted on 03/01/2012 4:00:00 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: NYer

Skimmed the article. Let me get this straight. They said IVF is OK?


4 posted on 03/01/2012 5:14:18 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

IVF is fine—for animals. It was developed with breeding better cows etc. And it pays well, even for doctors who are not as expert as many vets.


5 posted on 03/01/2012 11:07:00 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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However, he said, these gains have been largely eclipsed by the IVF industry, particularly in the United States: had it not been for the race to create children artificially, said Hilgers, “we probably would have had a cure for infertility by now.”

There's a strong strain of misogyny in all this - it seems there's always just something *wrong* with a woman, fertile or infertile. When people want to insult a woman who has had a large number of children, a common term is "baby factory." However, it's the artificial reproduction mindset that really treats women as machinery, just a walking uterus - like a microwave oven, just pop in an embryo, doesn't matter whose it is.

It's the world turned upside down: natural reproduction ... husband and wife are fond of each other, and then there's a baby ... is considered debasing and distasteful, while artificial reproduction is "a miracle."

Sometimes you just want to beat your head on the keyboard, only it would annoy the cat! Get out of here, Jake. I already fed you.

6 posted on 03/02/2012 5:53:58 AM PST by Tax-chick ("If I want someone without merit, I'll simply vote for the Muslim ferret!" ~Da Coyote)
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To: Tax-chick; redgolum; NYer; savagesusie
"In contrast to the conference’s avoidance of Catholic ethical concerns, a notably subdued pontiff emphasized the moral roots of reproduction in the conjugal act and warned against the fertility industry’s lure of “easy income, or even worse, the arrogance of taking the place of the Creator,” "

Just what we needed, a "Vatican Conference for the Avoidance of Ethical Concerns."

The Pope must be ready to beat his head on the keyboard, too. I just wish he would bust loose and sack these guys. I'm all ready with the Bell, Book, and Candle.

7 posted on 03/02/2012 6:47:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("An enemy hath done this." Matthew 13:28)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Bell, book, candle, and Basement Cat! If the Holy Father doesn’t have one of his own, I’m sure he could find one hanging around the Colosseum.

I keep coming back to this topic, because it seems as if the plaint, “If only you were sterile, like you’re supposed to be, like everyone else is ...,” hangs over my life like the funk from an uncleaned litter box. If a woman doesn’t conform to the child-free, responsibility-free norm, then she’s doing a disservice to humanity at large and those in her immediate vicinity in particular.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 7:54:19 AM PST by Tax-chick ("If I want someone without merit, I'll simply vote for the Muslim ferret!" ~Da Coyote)
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To: Tax-chick
There's a strong strain of misogyny in all this - it seems there's always just something *wrong* with a woman, fertile or infertile. When people want to insult a woman who has had a large number of children, a common term is "baby factory." However, it's the artificial reproduction mindset that really treats women as machinery, just a walking uterus - like a microwave oven, just pop in an embryo, doesn't matter whose it is.

It's the world turned upside down: natural reproduction ... husband and wife are fond of each other, and then there's a baby ... is considered debasing and distasteful, while artificial reproduction is "a miracle."

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Excellent post, TC.

9 posted on 03/02/2012 7:58:43 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Thanks. It’s kind of personal ;-).

I’ll have new pictures to show later, just need to upload after Elen works on Geology for a while. Big science competition tomorrow!


10 posted on 03/02/2012 8:05:28 AM PST by Tax-chick ("If I want someone without merit, I'll simply vote for the Muslim ferret!" ~Da Coyote)
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Wonderful! I can't wait to see them. :)

Best wishes to Elen!

11 posted on 03/02/2012 8:19:17 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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