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Thinking Strategically about a Ban Disavowal [Mormon racism re: ban of blacks]
By Common Consent ^ | March 2, 2012 | Kevin Barney

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:08:50 AM PST by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian

Obama is a racist. He hates East Asian folks ~ thinks of them as little more than servant class.


21 posted on 03/06/2012 6:00:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Longbow1969

Am I in before the White Horse? That too is an obvious racist element of Mormon teaching. Why not a Black Horse Prophecy?

Why can’t be Mormons be as tolerant as the Baptists?

Southern Baptist Convention Set to Elect First Black President?

The Southern Baptist Convention, which has long dealt with issues of race since splitting in 1845 with Northern Baptists over the right to hold slaves, has grown to accept a diverse array of cultures within its congregation. Once an all-white membership, nearly 20 percent of its current congregation nationwide now is composed of minorities. Until now, however, it has never had an African-American president – Luter himself was the first ever African-American first vice-president of the denomination, appointed in June 2011.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-convention-set-to-elect-first-black-president-70673/


22 posted on 03/06/2012 6:00:37 AM PST by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

Yep, his poor-in-spirit wife chose to attend one of the only couple of segregated colleges left in the late 60’s—BYU.


23 posted on 03/06/2012 6:06:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Colofornian

Been called worse. If you think any of the GOP candidates should waste their time pursuing the black vote, then you advocate a strategy that will lead to certain defeat. They have to concentrate on segments where there is a realistic chance of swaying voters.


24 posted on 03/06/2012 6:07:37 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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25 posted on 03/06/2012 6:19:13 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Colofornian

Most American’s rightly care about racism, but the Race Card has been pulled so many times that it’s become like the boy that cried wolf.

Using terms like “nappy haired Ho” and “the N word” from an individual will not go ignored, but a headline from the MSM screaming racism does not mean much any more except for those are actively seeking it.

Outside the KKK, no organization has a bigger history in racism than the democrats.


26 posted on 03/06/2012 6:29:51 AM PST by MNDude
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To: Longbow1969

If you are a person of faith, you should care what mormonism is, if not then you are correct it doesn’t matter.
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it, before you quasi defend mormonism you should learn about it.
My lds family believe that Romney is the fulfillment of the white horse prophesy.
Romney has been groomed to complete the prophesy.


27 posted on 03/06/2012 6:32:25 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: muawiyah

Huh?
Interesting take, since it is the lds god who said that blacks where cursed, and then just when heat was being applied to SLC lds, well lookie here the lds gods changed their minds and blacks where no longer cursed.
Oh, yea technically BHO is a mormon since his mom was dead dunked and is now a mormon.


28 posted on 03/06/2012 6:37:29 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: muawiyah

If it’s devastating enough among the republicans - imagine it vs the Indies who already are suspicious about religion.


29 posted on 03/06/2012 7:04:59 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: svcw
If you are a person of faith, you should care what mormonism is, if not then you are correct it doesn’t matter.

I'd also vote for a Buddhist, Hindu, etc, if they were a real conservative. My problem with Romney is that he is not conservative, not that he is a Mormon.

30 posted on 03/06/2012 7:06:26 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Romney is not a conservative, you are correct. He is not a conservative because he is a mormon, not in spite of it.


31 posted on 03/06/2012 7:20:40 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Colofornian

Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.

Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 10
Page: 110

You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin.

Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 7
Page: 291

It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Source: Way To Perfection
Page: 107

The Lord said, I will not kill Cain, but I will put a mark upon him, and that mark will be seen upon the face of every negro upon the face of the earth; and it is the decree of God that that mark shall remain upon the seed of Cain until the seed of Abel shall be redeemed, and Cain shall not receive the Priesthood, until the time of that redemption. Any man having one drop of the seed of Cain in him cannot receive the Priesthood; but the day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Source: Way To Perfection
Page: 106

Why is it in this Church we do not grant the priesthood to the Negroes? It is alleged that the Prophet Joseph said—and I have no reason to dispute it—that it is because of some act committed by them before they came into this life. It is alleged that they were neutral, standing neither for Christ nor the devil. But, I am convinced it is because of some things they did before they came into this life that they have been denied the privilege. The races of today are very largely reaping the consequence of a previous life.

Author: Melvin Joseph Ballard
Source: Sermons and Missionary Services
Page: 248

The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom...

Author: Bruce R. McConkie
Source: Mormon Doctrine
Page: 527

Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was placed upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with a black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fulness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the beginning.

Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Source: Way To Perfection
Page: 101

As a result of his rebellion, Cain was cursed and told that “the earth” would not thereafter yield him its abundance as previously. In addition he became the first mortal to be cursed as a son of perdition. As a result of his mortal birth he is assured of a tangible body of flesh and bones in eternity, a fact which will enable him to rule over Satan. The Lord placed on Cain a mark of a dark skin, and he became the ancestor of the black race.

Author: Bruce R. McConkie
Source: Mormon Doctrine
Page: 102

Now, my brothers and sisters, I would like you to understand that long before we were born into this earth we were tested and tried in our pre-existence, and the fact that of the thousands of children born today, a certain proportion of them went to the Hottentots of South Africa; thousands went to the Chinese mothers; thousands went to Negro mothers; thousands to beautiful white Latter-day Saint mothers: You cannot tell me that the entire group was just designated, marked, to go where they did, that they were men and women of equal opportunities. There are no infant spirits born. They had a being ages before they came into this life.

Author: Melvin Joseph Ballard
Source: Sermons and Missionary Services
Page: 247

Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a sin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the Holy Priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the Holy Priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to. The volition of the creature is free; this is a law of their existence, and the Lord cannot violate his own law; were he to do that, he would cease to be God.

Author: Brigham Young
Source: Journal Of Discourses
Volume: 11
Page: 272


32 posted on 03/06/2012 7:41:57 AM PST by AnTiw1 (...sailboat bum ready to expatriate...)
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To: svcw
The LDS habitually rewrite their beliefs so it is not inconceivable that they'd changed their rules on blacks way back then. They changed other rules at that point of development.

If they had there'd be whole cities of black Mormons these days ~ doing Temple Work, campaigning for Mit, all that stuff.

33 posted on 03/06/2012 8:06:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Longbow1969
You are so right, it WILL get very nasty if Mitt is the nominee. The media is keeping very quiet, but they have the info they need to crush Mitt in the general, and they will use it. So be it.

On this issue in this article, I can vision Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson waiting in the wings, ready to pounce. Don't doubt that.

The Democrats and their ilk are ruthless, they need Religion and Sex issues in order to divide Republicans, and scare the ill informed idiot voters, especially emotional women. Works every time.

I am so thankful for these threads that are exposing the ISM of mormonism.

34 posted on 03/06/2012 8:34:26 AM PST by annieokie
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To: Colofornian

Which religion do you find to be more racist, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?


35 posted on 03/06/2012 8:38:58 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: MNDude
And the Democrat party has Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton warming up right now, ready to pounce should Bishop Mitt win the nomination. Count on it.

Up til then Romney is getting a pass, but he will be crushed in the general over these issues. So be it.

36 posted on 03/06/2012 8:44:31 AM PST by annieokie
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To: allmendream; Colofornian
You ask: Which religion do you find to be more racist, Mormonism or Black Liberation Theology?

I reject the premise as they are political systems not religion in any sense of the word.

37 posted on 03/06/2012 11:33:58 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: allmendream

A Bishop of the racist Mormon religion is running to be head of the GOP and the United States.

Is the GOP under threat of a Black Liberation candidate representing the GOP against Obama?


38 posted on 03/06/2012 12:21:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Santorum-Catholic and "I was basically pro-choice all my life, until I ran for Congress" he said))
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To: The Sons of Liberty

MUZZIEs don’t LIE about being christians.

They do not sneak about spouting christian verses.

They will only kill your body; not your soul.


39 posted on 03/06/2012 2:38:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Explanation would be fruitless to a person like you with an IQ lower than his shoe size.

SOL; your debating skills seem to be a bit lacking.

Perhaps I have a higher IQ. Could you please 'explain' to me?

40 posted on 03/06/2012 2:41:14 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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