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To My "Bible Only" Christian Brothers and Sisters, From A Catholic Convert [a humble vanity]

Posted on 03/11/2012 4:27:55 PM PDT by Heart-Rest

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To: D-fendr

An idol is not, and does not represent, God.
An idol is a physical entity, or physical representation of an entity, other than God which is worshiped (to wit prayed to, express spiritual adoration of, etc).


561 posted on 03/15/2012 8:27:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: ctdonath2
Thanks for your reply.

An idol is not, and does not represent, God.

To an idolater, an idol, the object of their worship, IS God. They are mistaken. As are we if we mistake not God for God. It is this mistake that makes it an icon, not the object itself.

If this object 'represents' God - to them - it is not an idol. It may represent a false God, but this is not the same as an idol. It can, however, be called an icon. There can also be icons, or representations, of the true God.

is worshiped (to wit prayed to, express spiritual adoration of, etc).

'Prayed to' as God, not prayed to as in 'ask' as in intercessory prayer.

Worship is for God alone. And here, Catholics have very specific worship: the Holy Eucharist.

Without a clear and specific idea of worship, it becomes much fuzzier. For example: what is spiritual adoration? Can you adore your spouse spiritually?

Or, does this resolve, again, to knowing the difference between God and not God?

562 posted on 03/15/2012 8:45:23 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ctdonath2
Sorry, major typo:

As are we if we mistake not God for God. It is this mistake that makes it an icon idol, not the object itself.

563 posted on 03/15/2012 8:47:50 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Thanks!


564 posted on 03/15/2012 9:24:10 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: MarkBsnr

I, for one, am stunned at the lack of truth in Editor-Surveyor’s comments.

Sigh...... There’s one in every crowd.


565 posted on 03/15/2012 9:33:28 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: narses

I’m sorry, but why is everyone still attempting to converse with this heretic? Time to shake the dust from our sandals and move on.


566 posted on 03/15/2012 9:48:40 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: Huber; Absolutely Nobama
Do not make the thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

567 posted on 03/15/2012 9:55:56 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

My apologies. Won’t happen again.


568 posted on 03/15/2012 10:52:34 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Huber
"I’m sorry, but why is everyone still attempting to converse with this heretic?"

"My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins." - James 5:19-20

569 posted on 03/16/2012 8:19:21 AM PDT by Natural Law (If you love the Catholic Church raise your hands, if not raise your standards.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
Sigh...... There’s one in every crowd.

If you assume the mantle of the Pope of your own created religion, why then, anything goes.

570 posted on 03/16/2012 8:38:43 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: D-fendr
Why the fraction? Should have noted, your traveling at the speed of light from A to B. Constant speed, no stopping/accelerating.

they had to go 1000 miles...light travels 186,000 miles per second, hence....travel 1000 miles at 186,000mper second, it takes you 1/186,000 of a second to do so.

571 posted on 03/16/2012 7:08:58 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: editor-surveyor

I want to comment on your tag line concerning a federal sales tax...there is, at this time, an expose’ of a high price call girl ring in New York....with this as a minor example, and these girls charging $1,000 to $2,000 per hour for their services, and MILLIONS of people working “under the table” and drug dealers, and people who embezzle from their employers, and robbers and thieves, and self employed persons who cook the books.....how are you proposing to tax them??? Only a sales tax works....they spend all their money.


572 posted on 03/16/2012 7:28:31 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: Natural Law

Ah, but there can easily come a point where our resolution is more the product of pride than charity, and this is a different sort of temptation. Hence my reference to Mark 6:11 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you; going forth from thence, shake off the dust from your feet for a testimony to them.”


573 posted on 03/16/2012 9:33:33 PM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: xzins

Sorry for the delay. (due to the above normal temps, I think I smashed more bugs in just this week, than in any full month of March in my life)

**Let’s just start with one question at a time.**

Why is the phrase ‘Son of God’ found many times in scripture, but the phrase ‘God the Son’ is found nowhere in scripture?

Thanks for showing interest in discussing this, xzins.


574 posted on 03/17/2012 6:28:44 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: terycarl

You can’t possibly be serious.

You would allow the massive harm a sales tax would cause just to tax a small handful of sluts?

Did I miss a humor tag?


575 posted on 03/17/2012 7:35:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: narses

You don’t understand that almost all of the MSS and fragments are in Greek?
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Most if not all of what was in Hebrew or Aram would likely have been destroyed when Rome sacked Jerusalem.


576 posted on 03/17/2012 7:46:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: MarkBsnr

I thank God that Origen had nothing to do with canon.

But his deliberate gnostic corruptions of others’ MSS made their way into Aleph and Sinaiticus, which were later used by Hort and Westcot in their attempt to expunge the diety of Christ from their Greek NT.

For those that are God’s elect, and have the Holy Spirit, canon is of little impact. Canon is mostly for the lost “Bible scholars” that inhabit the halls of secular universities.


577 posted on 03/17/2012 7:54:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


580 posted on 03/17/2012 8:02:54 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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